stewdogg Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 I really struggle to understand how someone in a fictional environment is 'moaning' about how they, as an actor are portrayed in fictional storylines. It's fiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lorne Malvo Posted May 18, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, Gay as FOOK said: In an ideal world? Show up on the other show as a near facsimile of their previous character. It should be exactly like wrestling. What's Ben Karlow doing in the Woolpack Zone?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King of Old School Posted May 18, 2022 Author Share Posted May 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, stewdogg said: I really struggle to understand how someone in a fictional environment is 'moaning' about how they, as an actor are portrayed in fictional storylines. It's fiction. It's a very weird business. We all know that by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members gmoney Posted May 18, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 18, 2022 26 minutes ago, stewdogg said: I really struggle to understand how someone in a fictional environment is 'moaning' about how they, as an actor are portrayed in fictional storylines. It's fiction. You've never heard of actors complaining about the size of their role? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUM Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 In case anyone hasn’t seen it, Alvarez has said there is zero sympathy for Sasha Banks backstage on this. From reading what he said it would appear the talent have had enough of her tantrums. All heat seems on her rather than Naomi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 31 minutes ago, stewdogg said: I really struggle to understand how someone in a fictional environment is 'moaning' about how they, as an actor are portrayed in fictional storylines. It's fiction. It’s ok when Bret Hart did it, obviously.  I remember how someone on The Sopranos went to David Chase and suggested storylines and changes, Chase looked at them and said “What makes you think it’s your character?”  Can’t remember who it was, possibly Michael Imperioli, sure @wandshogun09or @SuperBacon can clarify.  But it’s different where part of your wage comes from merch and that as opposed to a salaried role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted May 18, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 18, 2022 35 minutes ago, stewdogg said: I really struggle to understand how someone in a fictional environment is 'moaning' about how they, as an actor are portrayed in fictional storylines. It's fiction. The outcome of their fictional storylines affects their very non-fictional bank accounts. The more you're featured on TV, and the more you're presented as a star, the more money you make. It's all well and good saying, "it's fake, you shouldn't complain about not winning matches", but the fake winners of fake matches are making more real money. At the end of the day, it's a job, and if you're not happy in your job, you're well within your rights to complain to your boss. If someone in a creative industry wants to take a bet on their own worth being better than how it's being perceived, all power to them - either it works out, happy days, or it doesn't, and what does that matter to anyone else? WWE can't have it both ways - they can't claim their wrestlers are independent contractors, then cry foul when they act like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Land Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, kieranjennings said: What does an actor in a soap opera do if they don't like their storyline? If they are under contract they just have to go and do it don't they. Why is this any different? It's one of the most famous soap opera tropes of a character being recast due to the originating actor leaving for whatever reason. The 80s cliche being for an accident to happen off screen requiring plastic surgery.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, FUM said: In case anyone hasn’t seen it, Alvarez has said there is zero sympathy for Sasha Banks backstage on this. From reading what he said it would appear the talent have had enough of her tantrums. All heat seems on her rather than Naomi. I'll caveat this by saying that I know you're just repeating what someone else has said, FUM. This genuinely isn't aimed at you. However, it's really interesting to note the language used when talking about Sasha and Naomi. "Tantrum", "hissy fit" etc. While I'm not saying these phrases aren't - and haven't been - used while talking about male wrestlers, it's pretty telling that almost every time a female wrestler is reported to have an issue with management, these words rear their ugly heads. It's disproportionately prominent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted May 18, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, stewdogg said: I really struggle to understand how someone in a fictional environment is 'moaning' about how they, as an actor are portrayed in fictional storylines. It's fiction. Famously, no actor in the history of Hollywood has ever had creative differences with the director. Because it’s fiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Weezenal Posted May 18, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 18, 2022 Buzz was originally supposed to put over Woody. We all know what happened there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdogg Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) Sasha doesn't do bad from her merch I'd bet, nor Naomi either. The amount of youngsters wearing Boss glasses, and having glowsticks is insane. Perhaps they're thinking they should be worth more because their merch is a good seller, which is a pretty shitty take on other entertainers in the company. I don't think it's fair to make a comparison to Bret Hart 26 years ago to modern day. Firstly, Vince needed Bret then, his company was on the brink of going out of business. Outside of Brock and Roman, Vince doesn't need anyone now. His company is making so much money he evidently doesn't give 2 hoots about what his contractors think. As for creative disagreements, yes of course that is a thing, but the nature of 'da biz' makes it almost impossible to get out of that situation, as would it in any long term contract. Danny Boyle decided he didn't want to direct Die Another Day due to creative differences, but he could go do something else as he didn't freely sign in to some long term contract agreement with the Broccoli estate. Edited May 18, 2022 by stewdogg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted May 18, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, stewdogg said: I really struggle to understand how someone in a fictional environment is 'moaning' about how they, as an actor are portrayed in fictional storylines. It's fiction. Probably got something to do with how the better you do, the higher up the card you’re positioned, means the more you get paid and the more T-shirts you sell which in turn means AGAIN how much you get paid, how much attention you get for sponsorships and acting gigs etc which are other ways to get paid etc. Its not a perfect parallel to EastEnders as some seem to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Land Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, RedRooster said: I'll caveat this by saying that I know you're just repeating what someone else has said, FUM. This genuinely isn't aimed at you. However, it's really interesting to note the language used when talking about Sasha and Naomi. "Tantrum", "hissy fit" etc. While I'm not saying these phrases aren't - and haven't been - used while talking about male wrestlers, it's pretty telling that almost every time a female wrestler is reported to have an issue with management, these words rear their ugly heads. It's disproportionately prominent. They are constantly. Google just about any major wrestler with either Tantrum or Hissy Fit you'll be overrun by examples. Shawn Michaels in the late 90s probably tops the lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Seen comments online that imply that problems with Sasha are a regular problem. Unless I've missed something isn't this only the second time she had been involved in a serious backstage blowup? And both times seem to have been connected to the tag belts which she seems to be deeply invested in making something of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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