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  1. If you watch the Pedigree, the execution of it has been changed over the years - he used to keep the arms hooked and just drive the guy into the mat, whereas now he sort of releases the arms as he goes into the move, and just pushes down on the small of the back, so it allows the guy taking it to control their bump a little better. And that's what a lot of this stuff comes down to - things like the Vertebreaker are horrible because you're not allowing the person taking the move the time or the ability to control their own bump, and in that case in particular, you can't even really see if they're in position for it or not. Yeah, absolutely no need. I can take or leave apron bumps at the best of times - we're past the point where they're unique enough to be worth the risk, and at the point where nobody really gives a fuck about them being more "dangerous". Most times I've seen one done live, the audience aren't gasping in shock or reviling in horror at how violent and dangerous it is, they're all laughing and yelling out "HARDEST PART OF THE RING!" because it's become a meme. Imagine picking up a career-threatening injury on a spot that just elicits a round of chuckles. The MJF/Jungle Boy one was worse because there was so much risk of him hitting the actual edge of the ring, and at one point I was sure he had. Fuck right off with that. It's basically a Steiner Screwdriver, right? Because I went beyond wincing, leapt out of my seat, and probably let out some kind of involuntary noise at that one. Not a move I can watch comfortably at all.
  2. "I'm an international DJ!" Fuck entirely off. Not helped by the fact that the only live TV is Sky One between 5 and 7 via Now TV, and it seems to be the same four or five adverts on a loop forever. And continuity announcers trying to do "witty banter" deserve an entire fucking thread to themselves.
  3. This week's episode was the first time it felt actively disingenuous and put me off. Just glossing over why The Undertaker is wrestling in Saudi Arabia, or any impact of the Saudi shows and their money whatsoever. I don't necessarily expect the guy in the "America: Love It Or Leave It" shirt to have a nuanced opinion on Middle Eastern politics, and I'd even be willing to believe that he wasn't working all of those shows just because they're paying him a massive wedge of cash. But to go from basically two episodes of "I can only work once a year, I need to take months to prepare for a single match" to having another match less than a month after Wrestlemania - and that, if I remember correctly, that match was at one point announced to be Vs. Jericho, and was changed to Rusev, and maybe back and forth a couple of times, and you'd think that a guy that's incredibly selective about when he works, who he works with, and why, might have had something to say about that. Same with Shawn Michaels coming out of retirement. You've got Triple H saying, "after 8 years, I never thought Shawn would come out of retirement for one more match!", and making it sound like he agreed just out of the pleasure of working with those three wrestlers again - but he didn't come out of retirement to work that match at Great Balls Of Fire or in Little Rock, Arkansas, did he?
  4. There honestly might have been a point where Williams could have done it, but it certainly wasn't in '96. Dan Severn puts Williams over strong in his book, saying that all his success in amateur wrestling (four-time All-American, NCAA tournament finalist) came when he was basically doing it on the side of his American football playing, rather than focusing on training or anything, and that he'd have been elite level if he'd focused solely on one sport. I can't remember if he held a win over Severn back in their college days or not, but Dan definitely saw him as an equal. One thing from the Shamrock book I found funny, given how many "tough guy" stories there are from 1980s wrestlers, is that the PWFG lads were so happy for him to come and wrestle for them because the perception at the time was that American wrestlers didn't know how to fight.
  5. Undertaker mentioned in an interview that they haven't finished the final episode yet, so I imagine there's some more recent post-Mania stuff they're still working on.
  6. I was quietly optimistic after the first press conference, though before that I was a bit doom and gloom - I saw too many people hyping the company us as a WWE-beating surefire hit before they even officially existed or had a name. There were rumours in the early days of everyone from Randy Orton to Sting jumping ship from WWE, how they'd sign up all this talent, with one of the shittier news sites even saying that John Cena might jump ship purely because he's apparently friends with Cody. As so often happens, the fans put me off the product before I'd ever seen it, through the usual entitled mess of expecting a realistic, down-to-earth show with lots of flying robots, and wrestling's insistence on reliving a brief window of time in the late '90s meaning that nobody could contextualise another major wrestling organisation existing without seeing it in terms of WCW to the WWF. I hadn't been a fan of the All In show that preceded AEW, for the most part, and kind of expected more of the same. I also wasn't a fan of Being The Elite, and while I think the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega are occasionally capable of greatness, they are - and certainly were before AEW - far more consistently likely to indulge their worst qualities. What I got hyped for during the first press conference was the signing of PAC (and what, at the time, felt like it would be a working relationship with Dragon Gate), the announcement of focus on the women's division, involving talent sharing agreements with multiple Joshi companies, the relationship with AAA, and the announcement that they would be partnering with OWE. I've said it countless times, but some of the younger talent in OWE I think are the closest thing wrestling is likely to get today to the experience of seeing Rey Misterio Jr in WCW for the first time and recognising it as a quantum leap in what is possible in professional wrestling. Pretty much all of that fell through - outside of the Lucha Bros, there's been no benefit to AEW of the AAA relationship, OWE amounted to CIMA and T-Hawk showing up a few times but none of the young lads, and while I was excited to see Aja Kong and Emi Sakura announced, Aja Kong vanished entirely despite being flown in for one show just to do a staredown spot, and while Emi got a title shot against Riho, they never invested any time into explaining why that mattered. I also think that Emi hasn't even come close to showing her full potential in AEW - and some of that is on her as much as on the promotion. The women's division as a whole has been a bit of a damp squib, as much as a fan of some of the people in it as I am. Where it's succeeded is just in good TV, far moreso than I thought it would. There's been a logic to most of what's happened, and a charm to most of what hasn't been logical. They've been quick to undo bad decisions, and generally there's more good than bad. They've taken a guy in Hangman Page who I used to say was the last person I would ever remember was in Bullet Club, and who I'd forget existed the moment I wasn't watching him wrestle, and turned him into one of my favourite acts in the whole company. They've made a TV star out of Orange Cassidy, and they've proved that Jericho's stock in wrestling is even higher than people thought.
  7. that this story seems to have lost the government the support of the Daily Mail and the Church of England, which is bonkers for the Tories, I think this one's going to snowball even further. I imagine Kier Starmer will be getting praised almost regardless of what he says at PMQs tomorrow, though I fully expect him to harangue Johnson on this one. If the pressure stays on til the end of the week, I can see more resignations coming. If it continues beyond that, we're looking at schools reopening very soon, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see the papers start looking for more and more examples of Tory hypocrisy - MPs not sending their kids back to school but imploring the public to send theirs, that sort of thing - to cast doubt on the efficacy of lockdown. For the likes of the Mail to have turned on Boris Johnson makes me think this isn't going anywhere any time soon. I wonder if we'll even see talk of "unelected bureaucrats" turned against him.
  8. Of course not. Because, for a start, genuine historical/archaeological research rarely entails gallivanting about in Indiana Jones cosplay and pretending that decades of preceding research never happened and, probably more importantly, if anything of genuine interest did show up in one of them, it would make headlines long before the show aired.
  9. Yeah, Boris Johnson et al don't seem to be too fussed about unelected bureaucrats when they're closer to home.
  10. with a gun to my head, if you'd asked me to name Undertaker matches of the last few years, I'd have never remembered that "Last Time Ever" match with Triple H even happened.
  11. I remember this showing up in one of the Apter mags at the time - Summerslam 2000 was the first PPV I watched after getting back into wrestling, and I was buying all the shit magazines and everything back then.
  12. It's an odd one - it goes into extreme detail in some areas, but really glosses over others. It's almost a running joke that the birth of his children seems to only ever be covered in footnotes. I don't have really any interest in generalised stories of debaucheries, and "Shamrock and all his mates were going out taking pills and picking up women" every other page get a bit exhausting, particularly as things of somewhat more importance get covered in a page or two. There were points where it covers the birth of Pancrase in a few paragraphs that just made me want to read more about that, really. There's also a lot of received wisdom, or things stated as fact weirdly - so one footnote refers to "the first Tiger Mask Satoru Sayama", with no explanation of what a "Tiger Mask" is, which struck me as strange, and at what point it unquestioningly refers to Shawn Michaels as "the best in-ring performer of his generation". Not to just be entirely critical of it, there is some really interesting stuff in the politics of early UFC, and discussions of why he was never really the star in WWF that people thought he could have been. It feels honest more often than not, and is worth a read, but some of the reviews I've seen absolutely raving about it make me wonder what other books these people have read.
  13. Dustin & Dusty vs. Flair & Jarrett happened in 2000. I think that actually might be it! I always thought the best WCW story would have been Dustin joining the Horsemen.
  14. he worked two FMW matches while under contract with the WWF; the first was only a month after he debuted, so presumably a booking he was already announced for and WWF were happy for him to fulfill. He appeared for them in 1997 - FMW paid the WWF a considerable sum to be able to use him. Atsushi Onita met with Vince McMahon in '97 on other business, so it's possible that they were on good enough terms to sign off on a deal like that regardless. It wasn't the only example of this - FMW paid huge money to book Ken Shamrock vs. Vader later that year, and The Undertaker wrestled for Michinoku Pro in '97.
  15. The closest thing to heat I've ever heard toward Jimmy is that he can be annoying because he's like that 24/7.
  16. What only struck me recently is that, while on some level I can understand the WWF's "show must go on" mentality, I can't understand how it was allowed. How was the ring/arena not treated as a crime scene?
  17. "He just loves to have fun!" - well who doesn't? Surely that's the definition of fun? We could fill this thread with WWE-isms. Even watching 70s stuff on the Network, Vince can't speak like a human being - he strikes me as like one of those pricks who thinks that using a lot of big words will make him sound smarter, only the sportscaster equivalent of that. His steadfast refusal to use (or let anyone else use) pronouns on commentary leaves him saying things like, "that certain individual, being one Mr. Fred Blassie".
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  19. has anyone ever had anything bad to say about Terry Funk?
  20. in Bret's book he says that Pat Patterson asked him if he knew how to do a Scorpion Deathlock, and it was Konnan who showed him how to do it. Tatsumi Fujinami used to do it - I'm not sure I've seen him do it in matches earlier than when Choshu started using it, but it's conceivable that he was using it back in the 1970s, and that he got it from elsewhere. What you tend to find is that, even if one person popularly gets credited with inventing a move, it'll turn out that someone else thought of it somewhere else, or stumbled their way into doing it once but never kept it up, years earlier - there's only so many ways you can manipulate a person's body so, especially at a time before the more overtly choreographed big spots of today, the chances of coming up with a genuinely new move are pretty slim.
  21. Raven was responsible for the Dudley Boys gimmick.
  22. "THIS BUSINESS" always makes me think of interminable Triple H feuds. BEST IN THIS BUSINESS, closely followed by YOU MADE IT PERSONAL. Repeat ad nauseum.
  23. I haven't watched the show yet, and honestly I don't know if I'm going to be able to bring myself to. But I did listen to Martha Hart on Jericho's podcast. She talks about her favourite Owen Hart matches, and mentions his matches with Bret, with Hiroshi Hase in NJPW, and with Makhan Singh in Stampede, and talked favourably about Owen's time in NJPW. That's not the answer of someone who hates wrestling and wanted Owen out of it. It's someone who hates the WWF, because their negligence killed her husband and then they denied all culpability. WWE have just done a great job of convincing the world that WWE and Wrestling are interchangeable terms. As for Bret, it's a shame that he sees things that way, but he's never really been one to have his priorities in the right place anyway. And as far as keeping distant from the Hart Family, can you fucking blame them? Any wrestling biography that goes anywhere near that family - let alone the mad shit in the books written by members of the family - should be enough to make you want to put some distance between them and you; a complete nest of sex criminals, animal abusers, drug addicts and lunatics, with everything ever recounted about them being a madcap wrestling family sounding like something out of a true crime series or an airport book about surviving an abusive childhood in any other context. As for wanting to celebrate Owen's career? I just put his name into the WWE Network, it came back with 58 PPVs and 99+ matches. Outside of WWE, I can watch him in NJPW, I can go on YouTube and watch him on World of Sport, I can watch him vs Colonel Brody on an old Eurosport wrestling show, I can watch him in Stampede, I can watch his match against Canek in Mexico. We've never had more Owen Hart content to choose from. And if people want his legacy respected, well, there's the Owen Hart Foundation right there. Bung them a few quid, it'll achieve more good than a WWE check-box exercise ever will.
  24. I think you've probably overstated the extent to which Cornette helped any of that lot get over. Cornette's reach doesn't really expand beyond people who are already deep in the bubble. And when it comes to stuff like Joey Ryan's comedy spots, or the blow-up doll matches, those were videos that were going viral, and that prompted Cornette to comment on them, not the other way around. It's not Cornette making AEW, or Kenny Omega, or Joey Ryan relevant, it's him doubling down on the criticism of them to ensure that he stays relevant. He worked out that he gets more hits if he slags off something in wrestling today - because it makes a subset of wrestling fans feel smart by agreeing with him and rejecting whatever's popular - than if he tells stories about Jackie Fargo every week, so he's hitched his wagon to AEW, to Joey Ryan, and so on, because it generates money for him. There's an element where it's a gimmick, because he knows if he plays it up he'll get more subscriptions to his podcast and sell more T-shirts, and there's been various allegations by the Bucks and so on that he's privately spoken to them about working an angle. But when there's a consistent pattern of behaviour and opinion for more than 20 years, the Occam's Razor explanation is that he's an opinionated, backwards cunt, not that he's working a long con to actually help the people he slags off every five minutes.
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