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  1. Of course the onus is on Ligero, or whoever, to stay the fuck away. But he's clearly not doing that. We are able to put pressure on promoters, because it hurts their bottom line if we as fans or as performers say "hang on, I'm not buying tickets to your show" or "I'm cancelling that booking" if El Ligero gets booked. We can't put pressure on El Ligero to fuck off, evidently, because if that worked, he'd have fucked entirely off already.
  2. It's on fans, and it's on other wrestlers. I'd love to know who else worked the show with Ligero, for example, because it's on them to speak up about it. The biggest question for me, as I've said many times in this thread, wasn't "why did no one speak out before?", but "who were they supposed to speak out to?". That, again, came down to lack of governance, but now that Speaking Out has happened, there's a recognition of these problems existing, and of them being dealt with - as much as it doesn't always feel like anything has been done, the fact that El Ligero, who once worked everywhere and can now stick "ex-WWE" on the poster, has been reduced to working in the world's smallest ring for a promotion you've never heard of, that Travis Banks is resorting to working Mexican indies, and Jimmy Havoc's packed it in altogether, shows that progress has been made. These people aren't welcome in the majority of promotions - some of that will be purely because promoters are covering their own backs and don't want the hassle that will come from booking them, some of it comes from genuine desire for change. There are promoters I personally dislike, who I wouldn't trust to pay me back if I lent them a fiver, who I trust more than most to not fuck this up, because it's their livelihood and they're not going to risk that. When it comes to the smaller promotions, that's where it comes back to it being on the wrestlers. I'm not of the belief that anyone working a show with anyone remotely implicated in Speaking Out is complicit like some, but I do think that there are questions to be asked. Who was Ligero's opponent? Who else was on the card? Someone leaked the photo of him working and put it out there, but a lot of people said nothing. Some of them might have genuinely not known - there's an assumption from a lot of wrestling fans that everyone in wrestling is as terminally online as they are, and know of every conversation taking place on Twitter, whereas most wrestlers I've spoken to have said that their biggest worry around all of this at the moment is that they inadvertently end up working with someone or booking someone because they missed the allegations against them, or the allegations didn't specifically name them, but "everyone knew" that's who they were talking about. It's a bit of a minefield. The DBS check thing, I think that's just got away from people who have any understanding of what's happening and what needs to be done. Wrestlers having DBS checks doesn't really solve anything. I think wrestlers who are training people should absolutely have DBS checks, but again, that comes down to a lack of regulation and understanding as to what wrestling is. Anyone who's ever tried to get insurance for a wrestling show will know what a confusing grey area it is. One of the recommendations of the APPG report was that while wrestling shows should be recognised as entertainment, wrestling training should be treated as a sport, and be regulated on that basis. I think that's the right step, but that's not happening any time soon.
  3. Yeah, that's definitely it. If you don't see tag team wrestling as capable of making main event money (which he clearly doesn't), then it's just filling a spot on the card, and you may as well fill that spot with two blokes rather than four. And if you need tag team wrestling, just throwing two singles guys together rather than hiring a full-time tag team means that if one of them gets hurt, the other one goes back to working singles, whereas with a team like The Usos, up until very recently, if one of them got hurt, they just did sod all with the other. There's an element of truth to that - Animal or Hawk working singles matches always felt wrong. To put the history nerd hat on, it's an interesting take from Vince, because Vince Sr was really one of the first to really treat tag team wrestling as a staple part of his programming, and not just a gimmick. The majority of Capitol Wrestling or WWWF cards had tag team matches on them at a time when they were a rarity elsewhere, and they would headline as often as not. One of Vince Sr's regular tag team main event guys was Dr. Jerry Graham, who was allegedly Vince Jr's favourite wrestler - and of course, the first Wrestlemania was headlined by a tag team match.
  4. I think there's a huge part of that - the only people who ever seem to be described as "best friends" are heels and women, and when it's the women it almost always predicates a turn. Having friends is a weakness, and you should be able to fight all your battles on your own if you're a real man. It's refreshing in AEW seeing most of the babyfaces have a bunch of mates. There's also Vince's general dislike of tag team wrestling. Unless he stumbles on to a great couple of teams, more often than not he's booked tag team wrestling as a means to an end to get to a singles feud.
  5. I honestly think half the people calling for that think the storyline only started with the Dark Order tag or something. How anyone could be complaining that the match needs more time is beyond me. It seems to be based entirely on Hangman's promo having not been "angry" enough, or that him and The Elite haven't got physical yet. There's still time for Page to get angry between now and the PPV, but that promo wasn't the time - it was a brilliant babyface promo that explains where he's at. And I can't see how he doesn't win - you don't do the "I failed, but you still believed in me, so this time I'll win" promo and then lose without killing all your appeal as a babyface. I'm still convinced Kenny's going to - aside from his next AAA match - take some time off after losing to Hangman, and allow Adam Cole to step up as a singles talent.
  6. The man was just in hospital with a heart problem! The show isn't as full-on bonkers as dragging in Tyson Fury or random sumo blokes, but I imagine that's a combination of them managing expectations as to what a "big" card looks like and the pandemic preventing some people from travelling.
  7. I think Hangman Page can pull it off, though - don't do a big confetti and balloons celebration (which is more of an obnoxious heel move anyway), just have him spend the entire show celebrating by drinking beer with his friends.
  8. I disagree here. He wasn't stabbed walking down the street or waiting for a bus, he was killed at his constituency surgery, for what could quite likely be politically motivated reasons. Of course it's a criminal act and should be, and will be, dealt with as such, but to divorce crime from motive is ridiculous.
  9. BomberPat

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    I got my current job on a video interview, and had done a fair few before it. In a lot of ways, as I was applying for a job in effectively a different country, lockdown came as a bit of a blessing in that video interviews had become the norm, rather than something I would have had to argue for. Where I tended to slip up was because of the lack of body language, it can be sometimes less clear how people are reacting to one another, and there's an odd temptation to keep talking after you'd have normally naturally come to a stop. So it helps to have a firm idea of what your answers to some of the likely questions will be, and to have anything that might help you close at hand. The main thing is that it will be a little clunky and awkward, but it will be the same for everyone involved. You can make a little small talk around that, joke about it, and everyone's in the same boat, so it's a safe topic. Once that's out of the way, that should hopefully reduce some of the tension.
  10. It doesn't surprise me that he worked for a promoter that doesn't use social media - there's a mind-boggling number of promoters and small promotions out there that still advertise purely using phone numbers to buy tickets, and have no online presence whatsoever, or just a very clunky website. Ligero knows exactly what he's doing by getting in with promotions like that, knowing that all of this probably passed them by, and that it's more likely to fly under the radar. But on top of that, you have him (allegedly) working under a Spider-Man gimmick for promotions who know but don't care, and promotions like LDN that do have a social media presence but lock it down at the first sign of criticism. I understand the argument that locker rooms at these tiny promotions don't have a lot of power, but on the flipside, even if it's a regular booking, it's a promotion with zero reach, and that has only come to people's attention because they booked Ligero. I can't imagine anyone's raking it in from working there, or risking anything in their broader career by speaking up about it. Maybe people did - that's part of the problem, especially with this kind of company; if all of these conversations are happening in private, you don't know if people are speaking out or making a stand or not. And you might say that's no one's business but theirs, but I've seen female wrestlers say that part of the problem here is now they have to be extra-cautious taking bookings, especially if they're not overly familiar with the promotion, because they have to brace themselves for the risk of unexpectedly finding themselves in the locker room with their abuser.
  11. an asterisk by someone who can't spell his name, too.
  12. Why do you assume that? What about the promotions that Ligero is apparently working for makes you assume that he's had a DBS check, or any form of due diligence whatsoever?
  13. Suzuki hardly ever bumps - he does a lot of staggering backwards and dropping to one knee, or rolling on to his back, but it's rarely you'll see him take more than one or two straight back bumps in a match. One of the smartest workers out there, in that respect, and allows him to continue working to a high standard after 30+ years.
  14. The segment at the Nightmare Factory absolutely cemented it to me, that Cody's not turning heel at all, nor is Arn turning on him. The story is that Cody needs to "find the darkness within himself" to be able to beat Malakai Black.
  15. Eddie just wouldn't have had the political allies to stay anywhere near the top in a company with Hogan and his mates, and with Hall and Nash inbound, so I imagine it would have been a short-term thing. And Eddie in 1996 wasn't the well-rounded performer he became - he was a phenomenal talent already, but the unreal charisma and the swagger wasn't there yet, he wasn't someone that audiences could live vicariously through the way they could when he eventually won the WWE belt, nor had he become the great vindictive heel that he became around '98. I think if he'd won the belt then, not only would it have been a short reign, but it would be one that did more harm than good - I think he'd have been seen as a failed champion, and probably not really given that opportunity again.
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