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  1. I'm a sucker for a heel manager with an ever-changing cast of clients against a babyface hero, which you just never see any more. Perfected in Memphis with Jimmy Hart against Jerry Lawler, in my view. Just one scrawny little obnoxious heel that everyone in the crowd wants to see get beaten up, bringing in every kind of bruiser, monster, and sadist they can get their hands on to try and take out the all-conquering babyface. The babyface having to fight through all of them before finally getting his hands on the little guy and giving him what for. Beautiful.
  2. It would help if you weren't in one breath calling it unacceptable, but in the next breath harking back to the same period as a simpler time where wrestling/wrestling crowds behaved without consideration of some ill-defined "PC" norm, and wrestling was better/more popular than it is now. It's a confusing rhetorical tightrope walk you're doing. I suppose the question, if I'm being generous, is where is the line of what we should consider acceptable at a wrestling show. You and I seem to disagree, at least, as to where that line sits in relation to "loudly swearing and making obscene gestures in front of children".
  3. For every genuinely great chant, there's ten "she's a crackwhore", "show your tits" or "Jason takes it up the ass". I'd sacrifice the possibility of ever recreating the atmosphere of Lawler vs. Dreamer - one of my favourite ECW matches - if it meant never having to subject people to those chants. A couple of examples that maybe people will consider worrying about as being overly "PC" or whatever, but are all part of the reality of a wrestling show; The vast majority of shows I've worked, we have been paid by the event/venue to provide entertainment - meaning they handle ticket sales etc., and means that I don't have the authority to kick people out if they use slurs or abusive language. The second show I ever worked was attended by a rugby club outing, all of whom were drunk, loud, obnoxious and offensive, which ruined the show by intimidating the families that had come to watch, and basically meant that every other member of the crowd stayed quiet, rather than engaging with the show as they normally would. I've worked shows in secondary schools, where the kids attending are shouting homophobic slurs at wrestlers. It's possible that there were also LGBT kids in that audience who were effectively forced to sit in silence while a room full of their classmates yelled homophobic abuse without being punished for it - precisely because of the kind of attitude you're talking about; it was "blowing off steam", it's all part of the show. But what does that tell the LGBT kids, already unsure of their place in the world? That they're the acceptable punchline for everyone else's abuse. From a moral point of view, I don't want any of our customers, or our talent, to feel uncomfortable or unsafe in the environment our shows create. From a business point of view, I don't want anyone feeling so uncomfortable, unsafe or offended that they don't buy a ticket for the next show, or go and tell all their mates not to. Sometimes my nephews and nieces have come to watch my shows, or I've taken them to watch other wrestling - I don't want them to learn that shouting this kind of abuse is acceptable anywhere. And before anyone steps in and says "I wasn't talking about being homophobic", I will extend that to include calling someone a "fat cunt" as well. Because if it's acceptable for dad to say it at The Wrestling, it's acceptable for Little Billy to say it in the playground. if it was advertised as a family or family-friendly show, yes, absolutely. You don't take your kids to the panto or to see a magician and expect to be sat next to someone's Granny telling them to fuck off. If I were the promoter responsible for that show, I would fully expect to receive complaints from punters for not having dealt with it. That's the reality of running family events. We routinely get complaints about content far less obviously unacceptable than that.
  4. Sorry, I assumed that because this thread was about an incident at a show in the UK, on the UKFF, that we might be talking about wrestling in the UK.
  5. the holiday camp shows still exist, though. Even aside from the influx of "indie" companies over the past few years, All Star are running 12 (advertised) shows next month, and will most likely be running Haven camps in the summer/school holidays, and Megaslam have got 20 shows advertised for next month, will be running considerably more in the summer. NGW run Butlins, and there's probably plenty more I don't know about. So if your argument is that wrestling was bigger in the '90s in England because of camp shows (despite it being a matter of record that the scene was absolutely on its arse in the mid-to-late '90s, which would fall into the period that wrestling was at its most popular and "least PC"), then it stands to reason that it's bigger still now given that we have camp shows plus a broader range of indie companies running regularly. It's not "difficult to gauge" that wrestling in this country was dead in the '90s - it was less than 30 years ago, not ancient history. Many of us were there. That's aside from the nonsensical claim that wrestling is less popular because it's more "PC". Nobody outside of the wrestling bubble would think that wrestling was remotely "PC" in the first place - but we're obviously grading the concept of political correctness on a curve if it can be stretched to include, "acceptable to shout abuse at performers".
  6. Generally, it's not difficult as a wrestler/performer to gauge which members of the audience would be more up for being involved than others, and to what extent. When in doubt, chances are there'll be a crew member, a mate, a trainee, or some other easy target that you know you can safely antagonise without any risk of backlash, if you want to give the rest of the audience the impression of you getting into a beef with a fan without any backlash. With Eaver, it seems to be as much that he has a track record for this kind of thing. I've only been to one show he was booked on, but he spent a lot of time on the mic, in gimmick, after the show effectively harassing people into playing along with his schtick, putting his arm around them and stopping them if they tried to leave, and really going out of his way to target people that were visibly uncomfortable with it. It might not sound like much, but I'd rather wrestlers shy away from anything that makes people not feel comfortable/safe attending shows, and I can see how someone with anxiety etc. would have been really affected by it. There was also a story from a recent show - possibly the same PROGRESS show that kicked all of this off - of him repeatedly putting the microphone to a speaker to create feedback, to the extent that at least one deaf member of the audience was forced to leave because it was putting them in physical pain. Now, I've been to some incredibly loud noise gigs and ruined my hearing as a result, but I knew what I was consenting to - I wouldn't expect a wrestling show to do the same. I'm sure some people will see all this as snowflake-y PC gone mad nonsense, but accessibility is a good thing, and it would be great if wrestlers weren't making disabled fans uncomfortable or unable to attend shows.
  7. plus he probably has a panic attack every time his phone goes off, the poor sod.
  8. Netflix's press release confirms that dubbed and subtitled options will be available, which is great. It's sacrilege to some fans, but I've watched more dubbed than subbed - the dubbing is usually pretty good for Ghibli movies, and if I'm watching with other people, or while I'm doing something else, I'll avoid subtitled films because it means I can afford to not 100% pay attention all the time.
  9. that also features Jonathan Coachman, inexplicably featured repeatedly as a talking head, saying that Eddie was "addicted to the business", which feels in exceedingly poor taste.
  10. as someone who's promoted wrestling shows, it's not about whether you "hurt the feelings" of the wrestlers in the ring. It's about whether the fat kid in the second row that's there for an escape, to watch his heroes after being bullied at school, particularly wants to be sat surrounded by people shouting "you fat cunt" (to use your example) at a wrestler in the ring. You can substitute "fat cunt" for an insult of the wrestler's race, gender, sexuality or anything else. I don't want fans at my shows to feel uncomfortable or unwelcome because certain "fans" think it's their God-given right to shout whatever the fuck they like, even if it's something that would be considered wholly unacceptable anywhere else. And, again, if you can't come up with anything better than "you fat cunt", then it's probably better keeping your mouth shut anyway. I can hardly see the show or anyone else's enjoyment of it being improved by adding that degree of wit into the proceedings.
  11. No one is saying you can't heckle the wrestlers. But if the best you can come up with is to insult their race, gender or sexuality, then your heckle wasn't worth hearing in the first place. Attack their character, their actions and their motivations, fine. But I'm not losing any sleep over not seeing babyfaces get the crowd to chant "faggot" any more,
  12. I largely get it. It's being stupidly misconstrued on Twitter, but basically it comes down to, what do you gain by saying, "the following match is a women's division match..."? They don't do it for the men. Other than the Cruiserweights (which itself is ill-defined as hell), no other match is announced as taking place in a specific division. I've only once heard WWE (on an old NXT show) announce something as a match "in the men's division". All it's doing is psychologically siloing women's matches as being separate, something different. No problem as far as I'm concerned with just saying, "the following match is scheduled for one fall, introducing first, Becky Lynch", and crediting the audience with enough intelligence to understand that a women's wrestling match is happening without having to foreground it as such.
  13. Some of it comes down to an ideological issue of what people think wrestling "should" be, but ultimately there's an ableist angle to it all - if I'm in the front row I can dart out of the way, but if I were in a wheelchair or crutches I couldn't. So it's probably just best avoided. Eaver has previous, though. Facebook groups for wrestling promotions vary between insufferable and toxic, but the Progress one is especially horrendous. There were some comments on there saying it's because it's not "proper wrestling fans" and just hipsters coming to shows now. From fans of Progress. The byword for "wrestling hipsters".
  14. I tend to go digital because there isn't a decent second-hand games place near me, so aside from when I pop into CEX elsewhere and might pick something up for a fiver, I'm most likely to find cheap games in PS Store sales than in physical copies. But the internet contract I'm on is limited to a maximum usage per month, and I'm always paranoid that downloading a 40GB+ game will burn through that way too quickly, so tend to only end up downloading smaller games anyway. The price point is the main reason I haven't ended up with more Switch games - there are plenty I want, but I struggle to justify the full price, and they never go down in price either physically or digitally.
  15. In the early '00s he seemed to be the go-to if any panel show or comedy sketch needed a wrestler, that's about it.
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