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It is a really tricky subject. My wifes grandad has terminal cancer and is not expected to last the year and he is of the opinion that he doesn't want to sit alone at home slowly dying when he could see the family, his stance is Covid might kill him sooner but he is 89 and has terminal cancer so he is not fussed. 

We always do christmas at my wife's parents, they are both under 60 and very fit, they have of course been sensible throughout and have done ad hoc childcare when needed. No idea what the plans/expectations are this year. 

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Just been in the smaller of the two Tesco in Lincoln. Things were pretty much in stock apart from loo roll and pet food. Did see one guy at the till getting told by the checkout girl that he couldn't

I'll eventually work through all the messages but I'm safe. Thanks folks. I'm still an absolute mess but safe all the same. 

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I'm not sure what we'll be doing. We normally have Christmas Day itself with just the two of us, and see family on either side of it, but this year, who knows. We're lucky in the sense that nobody on either side is at risk or shielding, and nobody's been ill with it yet, but at best all I can imagine is sitting at opposite ends of a room for a cup of tea. My wife is talking about it on the assumption we won't see anyone at all; I'd like to see what the restrictions end up being before making a decision. The parents will want to see us, but that may just be me driving down, dropping off presents outside and saying hello from the doorway. 

If things get better, maybe we can go inside. If the government does a "a few days over Christmas will be fine, everyone, then back to staying at home", I'm not risking it.

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1 hour ago, ElCece said:

I think any tough love approach will be completely disregarded my a significant proportion of the population TBH. I think a detailed and specific set of guidance limiting contact might be more effective.

To be fair, that's what I meant by 'pretty restrictive measures', I don't expect Christmas will be 'cancelled' but at the same time it pretty clearly can't just be a 'week off' from Covid. Public health has to come above turkey dinners no matter how unpopular that might be. A significant proportion of the population will absolutely ignore whatever guidance is in place either way, and the government will hopefully account for that in whatever they plan for, but at least if there are detailed and specific rules like you've suggested then that would make it easier for me to say to my family that I don't think it's going to be worth taking the chance for the sake of a Christmas that just isn't going to feel right.

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9 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

To be fair, that's what I meant by 'pretty restrictive measures', I don't expect Christmas will be 'cancelled' but at the same time it pretty clearly can't just be a 'week off' from Covid. Public health has to come above turkey dinners no matter how unpopular that might be. A significant proportion of the population will absolutely ignore whatever guidance is in place either way, and the government will hopefully account for that in whatever they plan for, but at least if there are detailed and specific rules like you've suggested then that would make it easier for me to say to my family that I don't think it's going to be worth taking the chance for the sake of a Christmas that just isn't going to feel right.

Exactly my thoughts. Plenty will do what they want regardless but any actual attempt to 'cancel' Christmas would be the straw that broke the camels back regarding adhering to the rules for millions. 

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Christmas Eve 4 years ago, I was in my new flat after my wife booted me out. The post arrived with the divorce papers and then my work called me to sack me. Even the guy who writes Drunken Bakers tweeted me to see if I was alright. Spent the day drunk watching Werner Herzog films. Don’t think I can ever top that years festivities. 

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4 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

Christmas Eve 4 years ago, I was in my new flat after my wife booted me out. The post arrived with the divorce papers and then my work called me to sack me. Even the guy who writes Drunken Bakers tweeted me to see if I was alright. Spent the day drunk watching Werner Herzog films. Don’t think I can ever top that years festivities. 

Is this the start to the new Richard Curtis? Bit bleak like.

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Really do not want to spend Christmas and Hogmanay alone as I will just get drunk for thewaytoomuchth time this year.

One of my cousins and her boyfreind live near, which is where I usually go, but they have been carefull. Rightly so.

I have worked with homeless charities on Christmas or Boxing days or over the bells a couple of times. Whether they need volunteers due to social dustancing is something I need to ask.

I don't mind my own company but there is a however and however there is a but this year.

Could be a lot worse but it eating at me.

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Heard an awful commotion from downstairs yesterday, and found my son stood on the landing. One of the teachers in his school has tested positive, and so now he's on two weeks house arrest.
Last night and this morning I've started coughing with a dry, chesty cough (I'm traditionally a throaty cougher). It's not constant, and they're few and far between, but I'm now questioning where the line between concern and paranoia is.

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45 minutes ago, Nostalgia Nonce said:

Heard an awful commotion from downstairs yesterday, and found my son stood on the landing. One of the teachers in his school has tested positive, and so now he's on two weeks house arrest.

Hope you're all ok obviously, but you've made it sound as if your sons teacher tested positive, and then you caught your son burgling your house and now you've detained him.

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1 hour ago, SuperBacon said:

Hope you're all ok obviously, but you've made it sound as if your sons teacher tested positive, and then you caught your son burgling your house and now you've detained him.

Little chattery bastard would make the worst cat burglar ever. The only time he stops narrating what he's doing while simultaneously telling all in earshot (living or otherwise) about how the toys switched on all by themselves in Close Encounters of the Third Kind is when he spots a mirror and has to have a dance off with himself and laughing hysterically.

He's possibly less than ideally suited to two home-working parents.

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