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3 hours ago, Keith Houchen said:

I see what you’re getting at, but the analogy doesn’t work. It is ALWAYS the burglars fault and whilst that may not be helpful, it’s more helpful than victim blaming. 
 

 

By that rationale, should we ban PSAs advising motorists not to leave valuables visible in parked cars lest they're accused of victim blaming motorists?

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Just been in the smaller of the two Tesco in Lincoln. Things were pretty much in stock apart from loo roll and pet food. Did see one guy at the till getting told by the checkout girl that he couldn't

No wonder she’s worried!

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19 minutes ago, PJ Power said:

By that rationale, should we ban PSAs advising motorists not to leave valuables visible in parked cars lest they're accused of victim blaming motorists?

Do what you want. Carry on the flaw as long as you like. 

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3 hours ago, johnnyboy said:

Given how we've plowed on with milestones regardless before, the figures must be quite sobering for Boris to pump the brakes.  To give them some credit, at least they've done so.

Becker? 

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3 hours ago, johnnyboy said:

Given how we've plowed on with milestones regardless before, the figures must be quite sobering for Boris to pump the brakes.  To give them some credit, at least they've done so.

The only thing STOP CALLING HIM BORIS normally pumps is the secretary/nanny/cleaner/someone else's wife/intern*

*delete as applicable. 

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55 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

Do what you want. Carry on the flaw as long as you like. 

Just because you say it's flawed doesn't make it true.

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3 minutes ago, PJ Power said:

Just because you say it's flawed doesn't make it true.

My point was regarding Covid and how the well intended analogy didn’t quite work.  There is plenty of discussion to be had regarding personal responsibility and crime protection but this isn’t the thread for it. 

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9 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

My point was regarding Covid and how the well intended analogy didn’t quite work.  There is plenty of discussion to be had regarding personal responsibility and crime protection but this isn’t the thread for it. 

But Zeb's analogy, while not perfect, was indeed valid. Because people are cunts, and nearly everything in life is rarely black and white. Broad, absolutionist positions almost always fail when practised. Ergo why most reasonable people don't victim blame when appropriate (e.g. sexual assault), but usually can't help thinking someone might have either known better or should be wiser after the event, either after making themselves an easy attraction to thieves (e.g. valuables on display in a parked car), or getting knocked over by a car at 40mph after failing to check for oncoming traffic before crossing a road (and the driver has no time to apply the brakes to prevent the hit).

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24 minutes ago, PJ Power said:

But Zeb's analogy, while not perfect,

Agreed. That’s all I was saying!! Finger wagging is as much use as a shoulder shrug. 

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2 minutes ago, Uncle Zeb said:

Now that that necessary debate's been hammered out, what were we talking about again?

Oh right, yes: Hamburgler - friend or foe?

Well, if he's in any way behind the mahoosive price reductions at McDonalds next month, I'd say friend.  20 nuggets for about two fiddy? Yes please!

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Someone smarter than me may be able to answer this: Just took the kids for lunch at our local cafe and got the 50% off. I was chatting to the owner and asked what's stopping businesses running fake receipts through and claiming more than they have taken/served and he didn't know the answer (or maybe he does?). 

Surely the government wouldn't be that stupid (sure they would) and have safeguarded against this? How does the reimbursement work?

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1 minute ago, SuperBacon said:

Someone smarter than me may be able to answer this: Just took the kids for lunch at our local cafe and got the 50% off. I was chatting to the owner and asked what's stopping businesses running fake receipts through and claiming more than they have taken/served and he didn't know the answer (or maybe he does?). 

Surely the government wouldn't be that stupid (sure they would) and have safeguarded against this? How does the reimbursement work?

a mate went to Nandos yesterday. you get a code when you go into a restaurant and they put that on the bill

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New "I'm not sure you're taking this seriously" work discussion is regarding self isolating. 

Essentially if you self isolate and then get a negative test result it *can* count against you in a sickness review. It *might not* and HR are taking a "pragmatic" approach. But they haven't defined what that means. 

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