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10 hours ago, Chris B said:

What can a more serious Zack Ryder, with something to prove, show?

Having "something to prove" seems to be the big phrase whenever a small fish leaves the big pond, but I don't know what that means. Like someone said earlier, it must be years since Cardona had a match longer than 8 minutes, so does having "something to prove" mean having matches 15-20 minutes? He's been working in front of arena crowds for his entire career, of course he can have solid TV matches. Solid entertaining 15-20 minutes? AEW's already got dozens of wrestlers who can do that. This isn't Moxley turning up at the G1. 

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Don't know if anyone else has noticed, or agrees, but Shida's facial expressions are really poor. I never got what she was about, in Japan. She's competent enough, but I rarely know what she's trying to convey facially. It never looks convincing. Taken in isolation, it'd be difficult to tell whether she's just baked a lovely cake, or taken a particularly awkward shit, based on her expressions.

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50 minutes ago, KingofSports said:

Don't know if anyone else has noticed, or agrees, but Shida's facial expressions are really poor. I never got what she was about, in Japan. She's competent enough, but I rarely know what she's trying to convey facially. It never looks convincing. Taken in isolation, it'd be difficult to tell whether she's just baked a lovely cake, or taken a particularly awkward shit, based on her expressions.

She's okay but definitely feels like another "she's Japanese so she must be good!" type deal unfortunately.

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12 hours ago, Supremo said:

He got over as a comedy geek though. That’s what always seems to get lost in the discussion. Me and my flat mates loved, “Z! True Long Island Story,” as much as anyone, but how exactly do you make a proper star coming off a show like that, when the absolute best part every single week was the running joke that his Dad preferred John Morrison?

Yeah I've really mellowed about WWE's treatment of Ryder in the past few years. At the time I was raging that they cut the balls off someone who, at the very least, could've been a decent upper-midcarder but, realistically, the reactions he was getting were overshadowing everything else on the shows. Even The Rock had to stop and acknowledge the "We Want Ryder" chants. Their options were to either bury him, and stop the chants, or run with it and risk him failing miserably.

Looking at what he did afterwards, it's hard to argue that they made the wrong decision. He didn't freshen up his gimmick, come up with some new moves (the Rough Ryder is a really shit finisher) and generally make himself impossible to ignore. He just coasted, doing the exact same thing for nearly a decade. He's a naturally likeable guy but if he has anything else to offer beyond that then he hasn't shown it. Can anyone think of a single memorable Zack Ryder match?

His big problem now is that he's got "WWE Jobber Stink" on him and it's going to be hard to shake that off. I'm not too keen on him coming in as Cody's "close friend" either. That seems well worn territory already, and AEW's only been around for a year.

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Im calling it now. Zack Ryder will have Cody's back in a fued vs the Dark Order, and during a title defense against Brodie Lee, it'll turn out Ryder was with the Dark Order the whole time and screw Cody out of the belt.

"Blah blah... Brodie Lee promised me the spotlight if I joined Dark Order... spots lights now on me... blah blah", Ryder vs Cody at a PPV.

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14 minutes ago, unfitfinlay said:

Yeah I've really mellowed about WWE's treatment of Ryder in the past few years. At the time I was raging that they cut the balls off someone who, at the very least, could've been a decent upper-midcarder but, realistically, the reactions he was getting were overshadowing everything else on the shows. Even The Rock had to stop and acknowledge the "We Want Ryder" chants. Their options were to either bury him, and stop the chants, or run with it and risk him failing miserably.

Looking at what he did afterwards, it's hard to argue that they made the wrong decision. He didn't freshen up his gimmick, come up with some new moves (the Rough Ryder is a really shit finisher) and generally make himself impossible to ignore. He just coasted, doing the exact same thing for nearly a decade. He's a naturally likeable guy but if he has anything else to offer beyond that then he hasn't shown it. Can anyone think of a single memorable Zack Ryder match?

His big problem now is that he's got "WWE Jobber Stink" on him and it's going to be hard to shake that off. I'm not too keen on him coming in as Cody's "close friend" either. That seems well worn territory already, and AEW's only been around for a year.

Most memorable Ryder match I can think of is the Get Everyone On The Card Ladder Match at WrestleMania 32 (could be 32) where he won the Intercontinental Title. Mainly memorable in that he was the last person I'd have thought would win it!

Well, maybe second last, Sin Cara was in that match too I think.

Beyond that, I can remember him and Hawkins winning the Tag Titles on the Mania pre-show last year, a match with Kane that might have involved him being chucked down stairs and something to do with Eve Torres, and maybe an Open Challenge match against Cena that involved the cast of Entourage when their film came out. Does him running in at WrestleMania 24 during Edge vs. Undertaker count as a memorable Ryder match?

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2 hours ago, HarmonicGenerator said:

Most memorable Ryder match I can think of is the Get Everyone On The Card Ladder Match at WrestleMania 32 (could be 32) where he won the Intercontinental Title. Mainly memorable in that he was the last person I'd have thought would win it!

And he only got into that match because Adrian Neville hurt his ankle a couple of weeks before the show, otherwise he’d have been in the Andre Battle Royal with the rest of the no-hopers

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5 hours ago, CavemanLynn said:

Having "something to prove" seems to be the big phrase whenever a small fish leaves the big pond, but I don't know what that means. Like someone said earlier, it must be years since Cardona had a match longer than 8 minutes, so does having "something to prove" mean having matches 15-20 minutes? He's been working in front of arena crowds for his entire career, of course he can have solid TV matches. Solid entertaining 15-20 minutes? AEW's already got dozens of wrestlers who can do that. This isn't Moxley turning up at the G1. 

Well, that's the thing - it might mean something, it might mean nothing. There's been plenty of talk of WWE's system making it difficult for them to create stars. It's not like they've ever taken much of a chance on Zack Ryder, or really tried to get him over. When he was off doing his own stuff, he got himself over to the point where they seemed to work quite hard to slap him back down. 

I'm not saying it's likely. But outside of the WWE system, if someone gave him a shot, could he make a go of it? Could he carry himself better, show more range than he has already? Totally separate from the Zack Ryder character, is there more to him than we've seen? He's being given some kind of opportunity to show that there's more to him than the lower card. 

We don't know how much his inability to reinvent himself was down to him or down to WWE. It might be that Zack Ryder + WWE was a limited combination. And that's not entirely in a 'waah, I was held down' way - just that it might not have been the right environment for him. 

Chances are that there's nothing else to him, and he'll just be the guy he's always been. But whether it's in the ring, character-work or just how he carries himself, if there's something we've not seen, this is his chance to show us.

I wouldn't put money on it happening. But it'd be nice if it does.

 

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2 hours ago, Weezenal said:

AEW figures on Smyth's. You're looking at £40 for both The Bucks!

https://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/toys/action-figures-and-playsets/all-elite-wrestling/c/SM06010199 

That’s the price for “elite” figures now days so I don’t think they’re badly priced. Just the price of action figures now days is crazy!

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Yeah £19.99 is a pretty standard price for a collectable action figure these days (Marvel Legends, Star Wars Black Series, WWE Elite). Even then, I think 19.99 is pretty good value considering the costs that go into making the product.

The £19.99 price point is aimed at the collectors (adults) who have some disposal income. They aren't competing with a £9.99-£12.99 basic Star Wars toy/Marvel toy/Power ranger so although it seems high vs the toys we used to play with as a kid, it's not primararily aimed at kids.

I think Jazzwares/AEW have done a tremendous job in even getting the figures in Smyths, major props to them for that. I would like to see what kind of shelf space they get in store there. I wonder if any other shops in the UK will sell them. I reckon you will start to see the 1st wave get sold in the Entertainer when the 2nd or 3rd wave comes out.

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Hikaru Shida was fantastic when she first came in. Really laying it in and having great matches. Since she moved home permanently to America she's just looked like a nerd cosplaying at being a pro wrestler. Not impressed.

Zack Ryder would be better off just reverting to his 2009 persona than being bland wrestler #whatever. Just be completely over the top.

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9 minutes ago, Philjax said:

Zack Ryder would be better off just reverting to his 2009 persona than being bland wrestler #whatever. Just be completely over the top.

He should have done that and kept the beard. Then they could've run an angle where Joey Janela falls into a vat of ooze and emerges as SUPER JOEY like Big Sexy in Ninja Turtles 2.

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On 8/2/2020 at 12:47 PM, unfitfinlay said:

(the Rough Ryder is a really shit finisher)

Can't agree there. I think the problem with it is that he doesn't do it that well, it looks very sloppy - I remember Doug Basham using it as a finish, with more of a snap and drop to it, and it looked nasty.

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