CavemanLynn Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Until they address this, AEW is always going to be cutting into the existing fanbase. If that's what they want, they're really going to hamper their growth long term, because that fanbase is fickle and only has a set amount of cash to split between its various wrestling interests. Not great business sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPumaPants Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Wrestling without storytelling is like Eastenders having Dot Cotton's funeral without telling us she died, or Kat Slater having Ian Beale's baby without telling us they've hooked up. You'd lose interest in the crap really quickly. Clearly that's happening with AEW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Accident Prone Posted December 23, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 23, 2019 I think Kat is having a fine day trolling you all and you're haplessly falling for the bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Vegas Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, wordsfromlee said: I'm not saying they should start from the beginning. I'd just like a bit more than some guy on commentary saying "these guys are the best tag team in the world" as they walk down to the ring. List their accomplishments, tell me why they're the best, give them a mic to cut a fucking promo. When Owens debuted on RAW answering Cena's open challenge, won and then stood on the US title it elevated him instantly. There was nothing done to promote him other than commentators telling people who he was. I'd argue that a significantly lower percentage of RAW viewers knew who he was despite being NXT champion that Dynamite viewers know who YB's are. We will have to agree to disagree but I think of anything that's wrong with AEW that isn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted December 23, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 23, 2019 But in that example Owens established himself by beating someone who had *already* been established for 10 years or more. No one in AEW, bar Jericho and maybe Cody, is established enough to elevate that person. Beating the Young Bucks doesn't mean anything when they haven't had time to become the John Cena of this analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingofSports Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 40 minutes ago, BomberPat said: Wrestling is about stories. To take the Emi Sakura/Riho example - I'm invested in that because I know Emi, am a big fan of her work (1) In your opinion. (2) You've already made it clear you're a Sakura fanboy. She has no significant in-ring history & worked for shit comapnies almost her entire career...don't bother quoting her Titles, as they're all meaningless. She has never been a big deal in Japan. Post-AJW, I could list the top workers on the fingers of one hand and a dumpy, middle-aged Freddie Mercury fan isn't on that list. She trained Riho. That's the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPumaPants Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, Accident Prone said: I think Kat is having a fine day trolling you all and you're haplessly falling for the bait. I don't spend a lot of time of this forum, but it does seem to be somewhat of a hobby for Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, KingofSports said: (1) In your opinion. No. Wrestling IS about stories. Stories being told in the ring. Stories being told on the microphone. Stories being told through videos etc. Many things about wrestling, such as match ratings, ARE opinion but wrestling being storytelling is not one of them. Edited December 23, 2019 by Snitsky's back acne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted December 23, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 23, 2019 Interesting debate and, if honest, I agree with both sides. They've not done well enough to establish a lot of acts from the beginning. Some they are are trying to sort out now but others, including most women, remain poorly fleshed out. That has to turn off curiosity viewers. They're not watching with one eye on Wikipedia and also, most of what happened in Bumfuck Wrestling, Tennessee or Pantysniffer Central, Kyoto is completely irrelevent to AEW. So start again. However, given this all started talking about the Bucks and Omega, I don't completely disagree with Kat on them. They're well known to most of the audience. The newer viewers don't need to know every title they've ever held and every match they've ever had. That's been the WWE MO forever. Sell the person but not other companies and other belts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator HarmonicGenerator Posted December 23, 2019 Awards Moderator Share Posted December 23, 2019 Kane is an interesting example of what’s being discussed. “That’s gotta be Kane!” is one of the greatest moments from that period of wrestling, but that’s because the mystery of Kane had been built up explicitly on TV over weeks and weeks. Imagine if, at Bad Blood, he’d appeared and Vince yelled “THAT’S KANE!” and JR had replied “who?” to which Vince said “Kane! It’s Kane!” and it was assumed the viewer would pop onto AOL to find out he was Taker’s secret brother even though nobody on TV had suggested they do that. It would almost definitely not have worked as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 53 minutes ago, tiger_rick said: if honest, I agree with both sides. Excuse me mate, sorry but that seat’s taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, iPumaPants said: Wrestling without storytelling is like Eastenders having Dot Cotton's funeral without telling us she died, or Kat Slater having Ian Beale's baby without telling us they've hooked up. You'd lose interest in the crap really quickly. Clearly that's happening with AEW. Did this actually happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted December 23, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) "We'll continue to put out our best content online." Maybe save it for the TV show, mate. Edited December 23, 2019 by Supremo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPumaPants Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, SuperBacon said: Did this actually happen? I don't know, I don't watch EastEnders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Kat Von D Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Should just check online if you aren’t sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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