Paid Members Carbomb Posted December 22, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: Hopefully it’s the start of a Fast Show stable. Unlucky Alf should be next, gets pinned on a roll up and says “Oh bugger” to camera. Marko Stunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I was thinking the guy with the “I’m an alien” catchphrase might be better suited to the “I’m an alien” wrestler which was the basis of my post but hey ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamura Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I find the "it's wrestling" argument tends to look at things in isolation and not at the bigger picture. Overdo the weird gimmicks and you're soon in early 1990s WWF cartoon hell, which is a long way away from the serious sports based approach AEW are supposed to be aiming for. At the present time AEW's output includes: The Librarians Emi Sakura's cosplaying as Freddie Mercury The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega cosplaying as the world and their wife Kenny Omega's sweeping brush Orange Cassidy The Dark Order Kris Statlander's alien gimmick Marko Stunt Michael Nakazawa and his oil This is what happens when the lunatics are allowed to run the asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted December 22, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 22, 2019 40 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: I was thinking the guy with the “I’m an alien” catchphrase might be better suited to the “I’m an alien” wrestler which was the basis of my post but hey ho. Ah, I see. I don't remember him, for some reason. How odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pitcos Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 48 minutes ago, Tamura said: Overdo the weird gimmicks and you're soon in early 1990s WWF cartoon hell, which is a long way away from the serious sports based approach AEW are supposed to be aiming for. To be fair to them, at the time they said that, they didn’t realise there were any wrestling fans online who’d notice it was bollocks and call them out on it. So stop mentioning it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yakashi Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Tamura said: I find the "it's wrestling" argument tends to look at things in isolation and not at the bigger picture. Overdo the weird gimmicks and you're soon in early 1990s WWF cartoon hell, which is a long way away from the serious sports based approach AEW are supposed to be aiming for. At the present time AEW's output includes: The Librarians Emi Sakura's cosplaying as Freddie Mercury The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega cosplaying as the world and their wife Kenny Omega's sweeping brush Orange Cassidy The Dark Order Kris Statlander's alien gimmick Marko Stunt Michael Nakazawa and his oil This is what happens when the lunatics are allowed to run the asylum. You forgot the guy that sexual assaults people but it’s funny because he’s gay fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, Yakashi said: You forgot the guy that sexual assaults people but it’s funny because he’s gay fella. Has he even been on Dynamite yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Vegas Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Tamura said: I find the "it's wrestling" argument tends to look at things in isolation and not at the bigger picture. Overdo the weird gimmicks and you're soon in early 1990s WWF cartoon hell, which is a long way away from the serious sports based approach AEW are supposed to be aiming for. At the present time AEW's output includes: The Librarians Emi Sakura's cosplaying as Freddie Mercury The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega cosplaying as the world and their wife Kenny Omega's sweeping brush Orange Cassidy The Dark Order Kris Statlander's alien gimmick Marko Stunt Michael Nakazawa and his oil This is what happens when the lunatics are allowed to run the asylum. I was just thinking today about one of the worst periods in the history of wrestling. There was nothing enjoyable about it and I don't think any of the guys involved went on to be very successful or heard of again. There was; • a man who carried a head around which he talked to • a fella pretending to be a vampire who spat blood out his mouth during his entrance • a bald guy who was always getting drunk at his work and assaulting his boss and their family without getting sacked • a guy who drugged and married the bosses daughter • some japanese lads who cut a wrestlers penis off • an actual pimp who used to take some of the women he sold out to the ring with him • an old lady who gave birth to a hand • a ridiculous angle where a group dressed up as soldiers and rode an a tank • one fella who carried a mop everywhere and spoke to it • a Police officer killed another wrestler's dog then made him eat it unknowingly • a guy who comissioned a milk truck and sprayed it all over other wrestlers • the holder of the european title cosplaying as stereotypes of people from european countries Wrestling has been bonkers since day one. Let us all not lose sight of the fact that we watch oiled up men and women who for the most part have little to no legitimate fighting background pretending to fight each other in pre determined bouts whilst using manouvers whereby the overwhelming majority require your opponents full co-operation to execute. It's not the lunatics running the asylum it's people doing something they love in ways they think and hope will be enjoyable without having every minor detail of what theyre doing dictated to them. History and the present has shown that in either scenario wrestling will continue to me bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jonny Vegas said: I was just thinking today about one of the worst periods in the history of wrestling. There was nothing enjoyable about it and I don't think any of the guys involved went on to be very successful or heard of again. There was; • a man who carried a head around which he talked to • a fella pretending to be a vampire who spat blood out his mouth during his entrance • a bald guy who was always getting drunk at his work and assaulting his boss and their family without getting sacked • a guy who drugged and married the bosses daughter • some japanese lads who cut a wrestlers penis off • an actual pimp who used to take some of the women he sold out to the ring with him • an old lady who gave birth to a hand • a ridiculous angle where a group dressed up as soldiers and rode an a tank • one fella who carried a mop everywhere and spoke to it • a Police officer killed another wrestler's dog then made him eat it unknowingly • a guy who comissioned a milk truck and sprayed it all over other wrestlers • the holder of the european title cosplaying as stereotypes of people from european countries Wrestling has been bonkers since day one. Let us all not lose sight of the fact that we watch oiled up men and women who for the most part have little to no legitimate fighting background pretending to fight each other in pre determined bouts whilst using manouvers whereby the overwhelming majority require your opponents full co-operation to execute. It's not the lunatics running the asylum it's people doing something they love in ways they think and hope will be enjoyable without having every minor detail of what theyre doing dictated to them. History and the present has shown that in either scenario wrestling will continue to me bonkers. Except the difference is, even with the shittiest angle you’ve listed here, is that we’re able to say why it happened, or at the very least understand the context. Why did Mae Young give birth to a hand? She was in a relationship with sex addict Mark Henry. Why did Val Venis ‘have his dick cut off’? Because he had an affair with the villain’s wife. The problem with AEW’s more outlandish gimmicks is that most of them lack explanation, or that they assume you know the context. Why is Statlander an alien? Why does Emi Sakura cosplay as Freddie Mercury? Why is Kenny Omega ‘the cleaner’? The other problem is, of course, that the execution of certain angles is just plain bad, and the show feels utterly disorganised. Wade Keller pointed out earlier this week that there are four separate angles based around recruitment. Shawn Spears is looking to recruit a tag partner. The Dark Order is recruiting anyone and everyone. The Nightmare Collective is trying to recruit Kris Statlander. The Inner Circle is trying to recruit Jon Moxley. It’s an utter mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavemanLynn Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 The "it's just fake wrestling innit" argument misses the whole premise of wrestling as a business - you make money by making people believe, or at least become emotionally involved, in the in-ring stories and personalities on show, and you can't do this without establishing the internal logic of the in-ring world. Decades ago, this logic was the logic of legitimate fighting. Then more interpersonal conflicts coloured it, but the logic of actual fighting remained the same. AEW hadn't established any internal rules fully enough, whether it be the technical rules of the ring or the type of characters that inhabit it. Honestly, I don't care if the wrestlers love it or not. I've found my favourite wrestlers treated it as a profession. Those that claimed to love it invariably end up jaded, physically beat up, and poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator HarmonicGenerator Posted December 22, 2019 Awards Moderator Share Posted December 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, Jonny Vegas said: • a ridiculous angle where a group dressed up as soldiers and rode an a tank What?! You’re kidding. How have I not heard of this? You’d think they’d have used it as a highlight clip over the years or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, CavemanLynn said: The "it's just fake wrestling innit" argument misses the whole premise of wrestling as a business - you make money by making people believe, or at least become emotionally involved, in the in-ring stories and personalities on show, and you can't do this without establishing the internal logic of the in-ring world. Decades ago, this logic was the logic of legitimate fighting. Then more interpersonal conflicts coloured it, but the logic of actual fighting remained the same. AEW hadn't established any internal rules fully enough, whether it be the technical rules of the ring or the type of characters that inhabit it. Honestly, I don't care if the wrestlers love it or not. I've found my favourite wrestlers treated it as a profession. Those that claimed to love it invariably end up jaded, physically beat up, and poor. Nobody went along with the ridiculousness except the heels. Bobby Heenan would say The Undertaker is monster and question whether he was human. Gorilla would remind us that, while he may be scary and have a huge threshold for pain, he is indeed human. Any heel manager that brought a monster out would go 'this is a sub human monster!' and the announcer or the babyface would go 'No, they're big bad mother fuckers but they're human'. It was a classic wrestling trope that worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted December 22, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted December 22, 2019 Wrestling should be bonkers. But wrestling shouldnt have blokes with bingo wings wearing Suzi Quatros jacket doing a daft voice. You stick a mask on my uncle Harry and he could do the job fat arse Uno is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Turns out it wasn't Arik Cannon in the creeper suit after all. He was just joking. Oh, that prankster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Snitsky's back acne said: Turns out it wasn't Arik Cannon in the creeper suit after all. He was just joking. Oh, that prankster! Such a liar. I bet he wasn't Mr America either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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