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Let's not forget that ongoing drug addict Hardy was the face, and teetotal Punk was the heel.  The WWE is a weird universe.

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So . . . Bryan and Styles are pretty damn good at what they do in there. Got to be the best match I’ve seen in the empty arena setting from either promotion so far. (I mean in ring - not the Boneyard and what have you)

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So we've replaced Heyman with a guy who's storyline ideas have included Fake Eric Rowan, Roman Reigns in Dog Food and now Jeff Hardy throwing piss. 

Yup, it's still Vinces show. 

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38 minutes ago, Shy Dad said:

So we've replaced Heyman with a guy who's storyline ideas have included Fake Eric Rowan, Roman Reigns in Dog Food and now Jeff Hardy throwing piss. 

Yup, it's still Vinces show. 

In fairness, Heyman booked an angle where Tommy Dreamer threw piss on Lance Storm in ECW in a very similar angle in 1999 so I figured he had pitched it and, of course, Vince [and by proxy Prichard] loved it.  

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I'll concede in that case then. 

Like when you look at Pritchard wanting to bring up Riddle, and Heyman bringing up Austin Theory I won't out and out defend Heyman as a lot of his ideas just weren't working either but heard about the angle earlier in the week, didn't think it would be as bad as it sounded and may have actually been worse. 

It's just dreadful TV mixed with the occasional fantastic match. 

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8 minutes ago, Shy Dad said:

I'll concede in that case then. 

Like when you look at Pritchard wanting to bring up Riddle, and Heyman bringing up Austin Theory I won't out and out defend Heyman as a lot of his ideas just weren't working either but heard about the angle earlier in the week, didn't think it would be as bad as it sounded and may have actually been worse. 

It's just dreadful TV mixed with the occasional fantastic match. 

Don't know that Heyman DID pitch that angle last night btw but it was very similar.

I quite enjoyed Raw [pre-lockdown] with the slow focus on new stars [Murphy, AOP etc]. Heyman's obviously not perfect and has his faves the same as all bookers do BUT I do think his 'let's slowly build these new faces and integrate them with the existing talent' approach is the right way. 

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Styles-Bryan was the first full Raw or Smackdown TV match I've watched in a while. I have no idea if it was any good because they changed camera angle 24 times in one minute. Whatever you see on screen will usually be gone within three seconds and it's rare a commentator speaks an entire sentence without a camera cut to distract you from what they are saying.

I realise this isn't news to anyone, but this stuff is unwatchable. There's no way this isn't a factor in audience figures dropping.

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28 minutes ago, JNLister said:

Styles-Bryan was the first full Raw or Smackdown TV match I've watched in a while. I have no idea if it was any good because they changed camera angle 24 times in one minute. Whatever you see on screen will usually be gone within three seconds and it's rare a commentator speaks an entire sentence without a camera cut to distract you from what they are saying.

I realise this isn't news to anyone, but this stuff is unwatchable. There's no way this isn't a factor in audience figures dropping.

You do get used to it. When I was watching a bit after the move to BT earlier in the year, It stopped being obvious after a couple of weeks. Now I'm back to just dipping into the occasional YouTube clip, it's a sore thumb.

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Styles/Bryan was fantastic. As you'd expect from guys that have known each other for so long. Certainly isn't the smallest crowd they've worked in front of. Can't say I notice the cuts etc.

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5 hours ago, JNLister said:

Styles-Bryan was the first full Raw or Smackdown TV match I've watched in a while. I have no idea if it was any good because they changed camera angle 24 times in one minute. Whatever you see on screen will usually be gone within three seconds and it's rare a commentator speaks an entire sentence without a camera cut to distract you from what they are saying.

I realise this isn't news to anyone, but this stuff is unwatchable. There's no way this isn't a factor in audience figures dropping.

I agree. It's not something that the average viewer will point out as a reason they've stopped watching but subconsciously it just makes the whole shows unpleasant to watch. Add on top the absolutely terrible commentary that endlessly assaults your ears and it doesn't matter how good anything on screen is. The production just puts you off and reckon it's definitely a factor in the ratings dropping.

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7 hours ago, Snitsky's back acne said:

In fairness, Heyman booked an angle where Tommy Dreamer threw piss on Lance Storm in ECW in a very similar angle in 1999 so I figured he had pitched it and, of course, Vince [and by proxy Prichard] loved it.  

It's not even the first time they've ripped it off, they did it with HBK and the McMahon's in 2006

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2 hours ago, LaGoosh said:

I agree. It's not something that the average viewer will point out as a reason they've stopped watching but subconsciously it just makes the whole shows unpleasant to watch. Add on top the absolutely terrible commentary that endlessly assaults your ears and it doesn't matter how good anything on screen is. The production just puts you off and reckon it's definitely a factor in the ratings dropping.

I find the commentary a much bigger problem. There's no getting used to that. It's worse the more you watch. It's exactly the opposite of what it's supposed to do which is enhance the product for the viewer at home. It's just a mess. I can't imagine a single person getting any of the product enhanced for them by any of the commentators.

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Fantastic match that. By the time they were building towards the finish I'd forgotten about the empty arena completely. Love it whenever Bryan leans into the viciousness of his all too brief heel run. Can't think of another AJ Styles match that good in years (Boneyard aside) and the finish was perfect. No spammed finishers or Adam Cole bullshit. Just a killer reversal and then Smash. Done. And still both guys looked tough as nails by the end.

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I watched the match on DailyMotion (without sound; sorry commentators) and it wasn’t the constant cuts that especially irritated me. It was the ‘crowd’ shots that took me out of what was a very good match - they just felt so forced and disingenuous and I didn’t like them at all. 

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I want to see a complete version without commercial breaks, that was the biggest killer for me, not camera cuts or crowd shots. I'd be really getting into the match, momentum building, it's good shit, pal!- then cut to break. And that happened something like 4 times in the match.

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