Callum1993 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I think they were trying this in mid 2000 when they had him cut his hair, change his gear and music and put Trish with him. Problem was they just made him bland. Although him and Rikishi did have what is now a pretty forgotten about feud which was really good during that time frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallicks Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I don't think his promos were good enough for the top level, by quite a long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted September 20, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted September 20, 2019 Val was one of those guys who, when I became a massive smark, I was sure was being held back by his gimmick because he was a really good hand. I was a fucking idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted September 20, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Callum1993 said: I think they were trying this in mid 2000 when they had him cut his hair, change his gear and music and put Trish with him. Problem was they just made him bland. Although him and Rikishi did have what is now a pretty forgotten about feud which was really good during that time frame. Totally agree. They had a great match and feud in the middle of a stacked card, and it got them both more over. Venis came out looking like a star, and it's a shame he wasn't booked like one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheToeSucker Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Christian deserved just as many world titles as Edge. And was more fun to watch for a while than Edge was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsfromlee Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I’m surprised Val didn’t do better in WWF considering he was CMLL champ when WWF hired him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted September 20, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted September 20, 2019 His brief run as Bischoff's Chief-of-Staff is a much-undersung turn, I think. Some good bits of villainy during that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinc Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Val was a good hand and a competent talker but ultimately just a bit boring. He did great out of the pornstar gimmick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted September 20, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Carbomb said: His brief run as Bischoff's Chief-of-Staff is a much-undersung turn, I think. Some good bits of villainy during that time. Conversely, I hated that whole Chief Morley shit. Taking heavily gimmicked wrestlers and making them into corporate stooge, straight-laced heel authority figures is often a recipe for boredom. See also - Kane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted September 20, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Devon Malcolm said: Conversely, I hated that whole Chief Morley shit. Taking heavily gimmicked wrestlers and making them into corporate stooge, straight-laced heel authority figures is often a recipe for boredom. See also - Kane. I'm somewhere in the middle on it. It wasn't bad but I didn't love it. I do love Carbomb's commitment to it though. He's always loved it and isn't for turning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ElCece Posted September 20, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) I have a couple, the first one I think is mildly unpopular the 2nd I've never heard anyone agree with me. 1) Luger was a better in ring worker than Sting.  I completely agree he had far more and more sustained periods of poor ring work but he had highs that Sting never had. I've just finished watching Starrcade 89 and in the match between the 2 it's like night and day, Sting was carried something rotten in that match  2) Rene Dupree was fucking good. La resistance, the French Tickle, Fifi and his tag with Kenzo Suzuki. All underrated Edited September 20, 2019 by ElCece I can't spell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I'm not sure I could agree that Luger was better but he's sure as hell underrated with Sting often being overrated as if he was some kind of "super worker" at any point. Looking back '97 Luger was better than '97 Sting though, they should have ran with him as champ after the August win over Hogan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted September 20, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted September 20, 2019 Never seen a wrestler lose his worth ethic as quickly as Luger did in 1997, after Hogan beat him. He seemed to go "fuck it" after that. From 95 to 97 he was arguably WCW's best hand. Great heel and babyface. I think he realised what the game was when he chanced Hogan and then lost it back after 6 days. Another one they finished off while they had mileage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_3165 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 10 hours ago, wordsfromlee said: I’m surprised Val didn’t do better in WWF considering he was CMLL champ when WWF hired him. In fairness how could he have? They Hadd a whole roster of big characters and huge names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ElCece Posted September 20, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted September 20, 2019 I agree wholeheartedly. That 96-97 run is superb. He also throws the towel in at the earliest opportunity it seems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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