Paid Members BomberPat Posted November 4, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, David said: I don't. Regardless of it being WWE staff, an NBA basketball team, someone from Game of Thrones or whatever, them being delayed due to mechanical issues with their aircraft would still be pretty much a non-story. It would be mentioned in passing, more likely in the case of the NBA example due to it potentially fucking with scheduling and suchlike, but it's not headline news at all. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-city-pre-season-tour-china-flight-delay-plane-a9005056.html - the Independent reporting on flight delays affecting Man City's schedule in July. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/south-africa-in-india/flight-delay-frustrates-faf-du-plessis-ahead-of-test-series-against-india/articleshow/71229971.cms - Times of India reporting on flight delays meaning Faf du Plessis was late arriving ahead of the Test series last month; reported in all major Indian papers. https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/nationals/nationals-face-eight-hour-plane-delay-trip-milwaukee - NBC Sports reporting on the Nationals being delayed for eight hours in March. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/james-van-der-beek-kept-195300223.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAI8dh-7S0z38Gb-vSCdxUb--KvvCgaYeumKOx9q-ySZeP8lzUk3ggBbbF39sc8_LiR8Zr4mWaJz9la--ux5CTpIOdmdnd2YF9bTwqaLdPzKthANi5BQecPs07XwxOmdZ9xZAsGA7QxghcFWk969ZiQ0zG1KDPtTD1F9RZFR2fago - Yahoo! Entertainment reporting on James Van Der Beek's flight being delayed, with no real underlying story whatsoever, just as a fluff piece. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7187561/David-Furnish-left-RAGING-details-delays-Air-Canada-flight-fans-turn-rude-star.html - The Daily Mail reporting on David Furnish's flight delays. Those are just recent examples that came up on the first page when searching '"Flight Delay" "Sport"' and '"Flight Delay" "Actors"'. I'm sure if I followed international sports a little closer, I could think up others. I don't want to labour this point any more than I already have, but even "the majority of WWE's crew were delayed in Saudi Arabia when they had a live TV show to film in a matter of hours" is a story. That's worth a clickbait sidebar article if nothing else - I'm not suggesting this was going to be on the front page of the Telegraph - but we've got nothing. That's because there's no mainstream interest in wrestling stories, not necessarily because it's a non-story. I'm not a conspiracy guy. I think Al Qaeda terrorists did 9/11, Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK, Jeffrey Epstein probably committed suicide, and only a few world leaders are shapeshifting lizard people. But the fact remains that there's an official statement, a statement regarding one out of at least two flights affected (so, even if we take the official account at face value, only one of the two delayed flights is actually accounted for by an airline), and then there's accounts from people affected which, reportedly, directly contradict the party line. If Meltzer's to be believed, people who work for WWE have consistently given a version of events that differs from that given by WWE - this is backed up by Hugo Savinovich and others, and given weight by the delay in broadcasting the show, and by question marks around WWE's earnings from the Middle East not matching up to what was expected. There's plenty of reason to think that it's something worth looking at with more detail. Quote I work with Forbes contributors. They are very much vetted and paid. To write for Forbes as a contributor takes a shitload of credibility in most cases, and is considered something of a holy grail among freelance writers and journalists. There are well-known CEO's and tech industry leaders who write regularly for Forbes, and they're all paid. I've looked into this, and admit I'm behind the times - it used to be the case that Forbes contributors was a bit of a shitheap, but they seem to have tidied up their act in the meantime. Their wrestling coverage is still pretty dogshit, though, and I'd be hard pressed to consider a contributor to Forbes' wrestling section "mainstream news". The fact is, mainstream journalism doesn't touch pro-wrestling - that's true in North America as everywhere else. WWE can get a PR fluff piece on a chat show, but you're not going to get people looking into their business practices or behind the scenes goings on. If it did, for example, any number of news sources could have picked up the Jordan Myles T-shirt controversy for easy clicks as easily a bit of Woke performative outrage or a bit of "political correctness gone mad" huffing and puffing depending on their demographic, but they didn't, because no one looks closely at wrestling. No one gives a shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted November 4, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted November 4, 2019 31 minutes ago, David said: I actually think the bigger issue for WWE here isn't that the Saudi's are now Vince's sworn enemies because he pulled the plug on their telly broadcast, but that morale among talent seems like it's at an all-time low. That crossed my mind yesterday. What happens next with this relationship? Can't imagine anyone is too desperate to go back, it's hardly a great sign if Vince has had to force their hand to get his money and that won't be appreciated by them either. Is it a dead relationship? Selfishly, i really hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted November 4, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted November 4, 2019 Money talks, so I'm sure plenty will go back. We might see a few more dissenters, but in practice all that is likely to mean is that the format of the shows moves away from the "BIGGEST EVER" Battle Royals, Tournaments and Royal Rumbles, and to something more closely resembling an ordinary undercard, likely still propping up the "dream matches" and freak show fights of the main event picture. Because the Brock Lesnars and Tyson Furys of the world still got out on time, and can continue making six or seven figures for five minutes' work next time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, BomberPat said: Those are just recent examples that came up on the first page when searching '"Flight Delay" "Sport"' and '"Flight Delay" "Actors"'. I'm sure if I followed international sports a little closer, I could think up others. There's a huge difference between pro wrestling, and football in the UK, MLB in the US, and cricket in India. I'm not claiming that WWE is on the same level as any of those sports, but at the same time WWE doesn't get dismissed as "only wrestling." If there's a story there, it'll get covered. Your claim that no one gives a shit is overlooking the fact that there's been zero actual evidence of any kind of wrongdoing by the Saudi's. There's nothing for a legit journalist to go on. If anything that's why they don't give a shit. And you mentioned Yahoo Entertainment covering James Van Der Beek missing a flight or something? They cover a lot of WWE stuff as well. 17 minutes ago, BomberPat said: I don't want to labour this point any more than I already have, but even "the majority of WWE's crew were delayed in Saudi Arabia when they had a live TV show to film in a matter of hours" is a story. That's worth a clickbait sidebar article if nothing else - I'm not suggesting this was going to be on the front page of the Telegraph - but we've got nothing. It's been featured on a number of North American entertainment sites and suchlike, Entertainment Tonight Canada, while CTV News in Canada ran a feature on the women's match, and CBC have featured discussion on the Saudi deal with WWE. So WWE does get coverage. Just not on this particular issue, which is why I think it's more a case of it being a non-story than "it's wrestling, no one gives a shit." 28 minutes ago, BomberPat said: The fact is, mainstream journalism doesn't touch pro-wrestling - that's true in North America as everywhere else. It depends on what you mean by mainstream journalism? WWE is a sports & entertainment hybrid, so it stands to reason that it'll be covered by outlets that specialise in those areas. Are you looking for an expose by The Guardian or the New York Times? You mention journalists not looking into their business practices or goings-on, but the harsh truth is that most large companies have shady shit going on behind the scenes. WWE is just a bigger deal to us than, say, BBVA being racist to Chinese customers, or large healthcare companies being guilty of racial bias because we watch their product regularly. To conclude, I think WWE absolutely gets the media it deserves in North America in general. It's not a major sport, or a major form of entertainment, so it'll never be on the same scale as certain other entities, but there's no "it's wrestling, no one gives a shit" sentiment from what I can see. I guess we'll need to disagree on this one, as we could go on and on, but it appears everyone is home, no one is suffering any real trauma, and I'd wager that WWE will be back in Saudi before too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lorne Malvo Posted November 4, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, David said: we could go on and on, The horse has long bolted on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Kat Von D Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, BomberPat said: Jeffrey Epstein probably committed suicide Why’d you have to go and say something ridiculous like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 What I learnt from this thread: @BomberPat thinks Oswald killed JFK. Jesus Christ Pat(sy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted November 4, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted November 4, 2019 Jet fuel can't melt steel ringposts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, SuperBacon said: What I learnt from this thread: @BomberPat thinks Oswald killed JFK. Jesus Christ Pat(sy) Wait, you still think he didn't? What is this, the 90s? What next, crop circles are alien landing pads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Oh God, Vince is going to end up going into a hotel room one day and not coming back out isn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Everyone knows it was a fake Ultimate Warrior that showed up in 1992. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted November 4, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted November 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Snitsky's back acne said: Oh God, Vince is going to end up going into a hotel room one day and not coming back out isn't he? That happened to a few of his wrestlers. But Vince will be fine in hotel rooms. It’s being invited to an Embassy he has to be careful of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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2Xtreme_lives Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just announced WWE have extended their agreement..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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