RedRooster Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, LaGoosh said: Why will it be bad? It's probably going to be great. The Bucks doing the Cody stip for Full Gear is definitely leading to some kind of shenanigans unless they just win clean. Someone earlier in this thread described it as potentially being a 'torture porn' of a match, and that's probably the best way of articulating why some people, including me, are feeling pretty apprehensive about what these two might end up doing. I don't personally enjoy that kind of wrestling. If they tone it down a bit it could be an excellent, high emotion story-based match, you're right. I don't have faith in them to be sensible though, given AEW's track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyattSheepMask Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 The more I think about it, the more I like the Wardlow/Page match and what it did for both guys. Page crawling to the outside rather than kicking out protected the F10, and then realising he had to hit the Buckshot twice to put him down, great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Nick James Posted October 29, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted October 29, 2020 That Buckshot Lariat really annoys me in that it just doesn't look natural. It doesn't seem to generate any momentum after the flip and the flip just seems unnecessary. A bit like Moxleys old clothesline from the ropes spot. It would be a lot better if it was just a big slug of a lariat like JBL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted October 29, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted October 29, 2020 46 minutes ago, Nick James said: That Buckshot Lariat really annoys me in that it just doesn't look natural. It doesn't seem to generate any momentum after the flip and the flip just seems unnecessary. A bit like Moxleys old clothesline from the ropes spot. It would be a lot better if it was just a big slug of a lariat like JBL. It's a great looking move. It makes perfect sense because it's sold as more effective than his normal clothesline. That's all that matters. It's nothing like the rebound clothesline. That got old because we had to buy that Mox was chucked into the rope every match by some idiot who then didn't expect him to rebound. Here we just have to buy that he's always looking for an opportunity to hit the buckshot. Often people will avoid it because they're aware enough before succumbing later. Nothing wrong with it at all. Clothesline from Hell was a great move. Page isn't sold as someone with that size and power though. This makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danlewis Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 If there’s a torture porn element to that match, I reckon that’ll be Moxley’s doing rather than Kingston, who has done that sort of stuff but is primarily way more into trying for realism and subtlety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted October 29, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted October 29, 2020 By "torture porn" what do people mean in a wrestling context exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, LaGoosh said: By "torture porn" what do people mean in a wrestling context exactly? Probably half of what happened in that Omega v Moxley deathmatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Nick James Posted October 29, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, tiger_rick said: It's a great looking move. It makes perfect sense because it's sold as more effective than his normal clothesline. That's all that matters. It's nothing like the rebound clothesline. That got old because we had to buy that Mox was chucked into the rope every match by some idiot who then didn't expect him to rebound. Here we just have to buy that he's always looking for an opportunity to hit the buckshot. Often people will avoid it because they're aware enough before succumbing later. Nothing wrong with it at all. Clothesline from Hell was a great move. Page isn't sold as someone with that size and power though. This makes more sense. Maybe so, but I will have to disagree in my own opinion. I think it just looks awkward. It's the only part of Page's act I don't like. It may be sold as more effective than a normal clothesline, that's because it's his finisher. Same way a DDT can be sold as more effective than a normal DDT if it's someone's finisher. Someone avoiding it doesn't make it look any less awkward. The Prince Nadeem knock-off is just not for me. I never said it was the same as Moxleys clothesline, I was saying it was a bit like it in the fact it looks as awkward as just adding something to the move to make it look flashy that actually doesn't give it much more momentum. Each to their own, but to me it just looks off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yakashi Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Any move that has a flip for no reason other than to do a flip is shit. Doing a meaningless flip generates less speed and power than running and just smashing the guy. Its fine. It’s what we have now with wrestling. But it will never make sense and it’s just flips because flips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Book Flip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members JNLister Posted October 30, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted October 30, 2020 14 hours ago, WyattSheepMask said: If choking is illegal, how is the Bulldog Choke a legal submission move? It's the old Taz deal of "blood choke vs air choke." It's a legit move that's basically a tight headlock and most of the effect is in cutting off the blood supply (like a sleeper, which is legal in pro wrestling) rather than cutting off the air (which isn't.) I didn't realise till now but apparently the Bulldog Choke is the big move of Moxley's character in his recent film role where he plays a pro wrestler who enters an MMA competition and has to figure out a way to use his moves in a real contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted October 30, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted October 30, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 10:25 AM, WyattSheepMask said: Without sounding like a Cornette type, I fucking hate it when a guy just stands there while Penta takes his glove off, no-one acts as though they’re trying to win. If a guys thwarting about with his gloves, punch him in the face! Speaking of Penta, just call him Penta because ‘Penta El Cero Meido’ is shit. It depends if they're doing the slapping/fighting spirit thing. I loved Omega screaming for Penta to do it - and then being a dick again. Between this week and last week, it's felt like a good time for Penta, who is clearly fucking great. Echo the thoughts on the women's division, but otherwise, I really liked this episode. Hangman/Wardlow and Omega/Penta were both really good. I was less keen on the Orange Cassidy/Cody match, purely because it felt a bit like making Cassidy more generic. But it was still fun to watch. I found the new sound mix a little distracting - it's clearly real crowd audio, but it feels a little disorientating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted October 30, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted October 30, 2020 Thing with Orange Cassidy is the network love him and he's one of the top merch sellers so I can understand why they feature him so much. I just wish they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Cassidy - much like The Fiend - is a really difficult one to manage as a regular character for a company that puts out a weekly television show. That's not to say they're not capable of doing it but when the network loves a character, and the audience loves a character, then naturally you want to put him out there. But that does cause some issues with over-exposure and showing a lack of depth to it. Which is fine, as not every successful character needs to have that depth, but yeah I get why it's a difficult thing for those in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Cassidy and Allin work in small doses, if anything they should be on alternate weeks to give them That space to not be over exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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