CavemanLynn Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 49 minutes ago, poetofthedeed said: I like Chuck Taylor, but someone really needs to teach him how to throw a punch, those slow motion forearms are just painful to watch... Someone needs to bring Bomber Pat Roach back from the dead and teach these indy kids to step in on their forearms. They should be thrown like a fucking shoulder block, not tapped against their neck leaning in from two feet away. Add the "three shite forearms then running away to the furthest ropes" to the pet hates thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Butternut Squash Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 (edited) Apart from that atrocious battle royal segment - where I swear they were letting fans into the ring and trying to make the Casino Battle Royale the most unappealing match imaginable - I thought that was a decent go home show that re-sparked my interest in a couple of feuds. Chris Jericho/Orange Cassidy has been desperately sad, but they've had their moments, and last night was the best of the lot. It's always good to see Jericho drop the camp bullshit and remind you of the level he's at. Just nice simple stuff - squash, beatdown and awesome Chris Jericho head games. Jericho was a cut above again, and he's the only guy smart enough to realise going 50/50 with Joey Janela is a waste of everybody's time. The code breaker spot was a fucking popper. The brawl at the end was a ton of fun too. I'm all in on The Young Bucks as cocky, gum chewing pricks and I'm desperate to see a heel turn. The FTR/Page/Omega stuff that followed didn't quite measure up. The Elite are so wishy-washy on the mic I can't sink my teeth into much of their angles. They tell their best stories in-ring. That shot of The Hangman holding out the belt with Kenny looking on sadly from the outside was a thing of beauty though. The journey has been a bit muddled, but The Bucks and Omega switching heel with Page as the outlaw babyface would be be a cracking result. Really looking forward to the Tag tile match and I'm still eager to see where they go with it all. Thunder Rosa vs Serena Deeb was the most sound AEW women's match I've ever seen. Deeb trained at the Performance Center didn't she? You'd think she's be an automatic hire. Still not sold on MJF and Moxley. I admire the effort, but MJF "getting violent" was a little hard to swallow at this point. If only it was like this from the beginning instead of weeks of Honky Tonk MJF. Also, you get so much juice on this show every week, that him smearing Moxley's blood over his face hit nowhere near as hard as it should have. The lawyer stuff was boring crap and full-on Ambrose. Wardlow feels like the bigger match, honestly. I fucking love Wardlow. Dustin vs Brodie Lee would've been nice indeed. More Dustin in general would be nice. Is Dustin more knackered than we realised? The Cody match got me excited and got me thinking of Dustin's role as the last gang in town. The Bruce Wayne or The Undertaker of AEW, if you like. The popular protected star that appears every so often, in big box office personal feuds. He's one of the best pure babyfaces in all the history of wrestling and they're just sitting on him. It kills me that he's become another face in the crowd, with his shitty doughy mate. Edited September 3, 2020 by Mr Butternut Squash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members FLips Posted September 3, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted September 3, 2020 Thought it was a solid episode but Jim Ross needs to go, he's so bad. Either do a 2 man team or replace him with Tazz. He was at his worst during the Thunder Rosa match where he was giving unenthusiastic back-handed compliments about how good they are for women. His "star power" has drawn everyone it will have when AEW launched, nobody will leave if Jim Ross isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrodyGraham Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 I can't think of a combo they have without Ross that wouldn't be better than one with him. He's got no enthusiasm for 80% of the roster, hardly any fore knowledge and seems to constantly refer to old territory workers who most of their supposed target audience won't have heard of. If you want a voice with experience and cache with older wrestling fans you have Schiavone who has been doing everything he can to get younger talent over. Tazz and Excalibur both provide more information and help drive the action from both technical and story telling perspectives. When Jericho is on the desk he"s the best storyteller they have. Fuck me, even Veda Scott has provided more useful insight and hasn't detracted from the action like JR does. If I wanted an elderly man to constantly tell me that the wrestlers are stupid or ask me if I can remember wrestlers from the past, I'd be watching AEW with me Dad. I don't and I'm not. As an aside I find it fucking hilarious listening to Ross lay praise on the Young Bucks, cause they're his bosses, when he spent years not even trying to hide his contempt for them in his NJPW commentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Swing Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Schiavone actually sounds happy to be working in wrestling again and makes an effort. His stuff with Baker was great (other than maybe the first promo) and contributed to her character growth. JR sounds like a resentful old prick which was rather amusing at first but has completely outstayed it's welcome. He's actively dragging the product down with every disingenuous remark and pissy comment. Said it before but someone needs to grow a backbone and have a word with him or just fuck him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrodyGraham Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 So I've just started watching this week's show and Excalibur and Tony do a great run down of the Proud and Powerful/ Best Friends feud with Tony setting up JR to comment. Cue a good 30 seconds of dead air. He's a liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew "the ref" coyne Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 11 hours ago, Mr Butternut Squash said: Thunder Rosa vs Serena Deeb was the most sound AEW women's match I've ever seen. Deeb trained at the Performance Center didn't she? You'd think she's be an automatic hire. She's a former WWE wrestler! Was apart of the Straight Edge Society along with CM Punk. And she became a coach at the performance center. She'd be a great hire. I did get a chuckle in that match where Jim Ross goes.... "WOW! I have to say... ah... well... I'm probably going to get into trouble for this.... but this is actually a good women's wrestling match for AEW. They should hire her." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtrickio Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 12 hours ago, FelatioLips said: Thought it was a solid episode but Jim Ross needs to go, he's so bad. Either do a 2 man team or replace him with Tazz. He was at his worst during the Thunder Rosa match where he was giving unenthusiastic back-handed compliments about how good they are for women. His "star power" has drawn everyone it will have when AEW launched, nobody will leave if Jim Ross isn't there. I lost count of how many times JR stated it was "fundamentally sound" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 The Bucks/FTR/Page & Omega angle is still where my interest lies the most but fuck me does Kenny try his best to ruin that, every time he opens his mouth it feels like he's trying to sabotage the segment by sounding as fake as possible and like he thinks everything is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted September 4, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Merzbow said: The Bucks/FTR/Page & Omega angle is still where my interest lies the most but fuck me does Kenny try his best to ruin that, every time he opens his mouth it feels like he's trying to sabotage the segment by sounding as fake as possible and like he thinks everything is a joke. Genuinely not getting that. I think Omega's pretty good at portraying a real person - I really liked that whole segment, and I thought Kenny was good in it too. But then, I'm invested in Kenny's character and storyline, so I find him layered and complex rather than fake/jokey. Which isn't necessarily to say either of us are wrong, but I'm finding it interesting to think about why I respond like that. Basically, I look at Kenny very much as a guy playing pro-wrestler. Because of course he is - he's performing in front of an audience, in-character. His actual character is that of a guy who covers his insecurities with the bluster of what he thinks 'pro-wrestler' Kenny Omega should be. So to an extent, he'll act and talk like is expected of him, with jokes and goofy bits. And he'll do a short speech about what Adam Page should be doing and how he should be approaching it. But the stuff underneath, that he does quietly and between talking - that's the real Kenny. Who is disappointed in Hangman, and is genuinely unsure about whether he likes him. Again, to be fair, I was watching it influenced by the final segment of BTE this week, where the final shot showed him wearing his 'Cleaner' sunglasses - they've been hinting at the heel part of Omega coming to the surface again. So, to an extent, I was watching Omega coming out this week, trying to force himself to be the good guy and say the right things. But they're hollow, because he doesn't believe them, and he's getting closer and closer to thinking 'time to fuck all of this off - I'm Kenny fucking Omega, shouldn't care about anyone and should just go single-mindedly after the title to show everyone how good I am'. So the hollowness didn't ring false to me. Oddly, if anything, it added to it. Also, that bit where FTR told a bleary-eyed, insecure Adam Page that he's a piece of shit, and all his friends secretly think so too - that was awesome. Following that up with Omega walking away... damn, I love Hangman so much, the poor screw-up that he is. Edited September 4, 2020 by Chris B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Merzbow said: The Bucks/FTR/Page & Omega angle is still where my interest lies the most but fuck me does Kenny try his best to ruin that, every time he opens his mouth it feels like he's trying to sabotage the segment by sounding as fake as possible and like he thinks everything is a joke. I assumed that was by design, that he's looking to come across as an insincere jerk, paving the way for a heel turn. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I think he's been really good throughout this storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members seph Posted September 4, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) AITA for not wanting to see Jake in any real capacity outside of Legends dos? I appreciate that Lance has a name to make him look legitimate but this spat with Tazz/Eddie Kingston is exposing Jake as he's stumbling over his promos quite a lot and getting interrupted by people wanting the angle to flow along - Tazz is giving him space, granted, but Eddie blew him out of the water verbally. I believe there's not much more Jake can do to raise Lance's profile. Edited September 4, 2020 by seph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavemanLynn Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, RedRooster said: ...he's looking to come across as an insincere jerk... I think this applies to anyone in the Elite not called Page, except now they've actually got a heel angle, rather than being snide pricks but still being presented as faces. I'm all for subtlety in the build, but surely it's time for these guys to turn the volume up, dump the shades of grey, and pick a side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, CavemanLynn said: I think this applies to anyone in the Elite not called Page, except now they've actually got a heel angle, rather than being snide pricks but still being presented as faces. I'm all for subtlety in the build, but surely it's time for these guys to turn the volume up, dump the shades of grey, and pick a side. I'm guessing we would have had that a lot sooner had it not been for the pandemic. Page staying at home ground whatever they were planning to do to a halt, then they seemed to hit the reset button for a bit. I imagine we're going to get to the next chapter sooner rather than later. Personally though, I love the build. It feels very non-traditional but in the best possible way. Everything about it has felt real, and the animosity between Page and the rest of the elite has felt surprisingly genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsurutagun Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 49 minutes ago, RedRooster said: I'm guessing we would have had that a lot sooner had it not been for the pandemic. Page staying at home ground whatever they were planning to do to a halt, then they seemed to hit the reset button for a bit. I imagine we're going to get to the next chapter sooner rather than later. Personally though, I love the build. It feels very non-traditional but in the best possible way. Everything about it has felt real, and the animosity between Page and the rest of the elite has felt surprisingly genuine. I'm convinced Blood and Guts would have been the moment that somebody would have turned. Omega has to be the one to turn now. Page is the perfect face. Bucks have a book out this Christmas and being faces makes the most sense. Can see it being that Omega was the one who needled Page into interfering in the gauntlet match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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