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Yeah, a pretty average show this week. Still fun, but nothing spectacular.

MJF is going to rip the neck brace off, reveal the whole thing was a ruse, and violently attack Mox next week, surely? This can’t be the actual build for the PPV main event, can it? It’s so midcard.

Has there ever been a feud so spectacularly elevated by constant hardway blood as Matt Hardy vs. Sammy Guevara? It’s ten times the feud for both guys constantly smashing their heads in. I really hope they announce a Compound match for the Pay Per View.

It’s not what I would have done, but there’s no denying the return of fans helped loads. It was a genuinely great moment seeing Jericho grinning like a kid hearing them singing his song again.

Orange Cassidy sprinting was brilliant. I hope we see a replay of it next week.

Eddie Kingston is the best promo delivery in the business. Why has it taken this long for him to be signed to a national company?!

I didn't understand the lawn mower thing with the Dark Order. I'm assuming it's a in-joke from BTE? If that's the case they should either explain it properly, or preferably don't reference it at all because Dark Order shouldn't be a comedy act right now regardless of how funny they might be on BTE.

In terms of other negatives, I’m very worried Adam Page is turning heel when he’s the one man in this whole thing who needs to be a babyface. Also, that thing with the broken mirror was HBK melodrama at its worst. And finally, that Big Swole match was some of the worst shit I’ve seen in ages. International television. Shockingly bad. Is that Reba woman even trained? Did she win a competition or something?

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Right people, right time, just the wrong location.

Fucking hell who’s arsed. Let people get excited about things.

For a TV Guide photoshoot promoting a new wrestling show, this is what you want to see. Not you brothers wedding reception, like those cunts above. You're selling professional wrestling. Nothing else.

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8 hours ago, The King Of Swing said:

So people know the FITE Vod of Dynamite goes chipmunk a few minutes into the opening match this week. No idea if it was a problem live or if it'll be sorted out later.

It's fixed now. 

I really enjoyed this week's show, I thought it was really strong from start to finish. Have they completely binned Excalibur though?

The gauntlet match was a lot of fun, and the Hangman Page development was really interesting. I hope there's more to this than "Page is insecure", but wherever this is going everyone played their parts brilliantly. 

Lance Archer is horrible on the mic, and I wish he'd stop whispering. The Roberts/Taz exchange was a little clunky, but I kind of liked how they both spoke over one another. That's what really happens in a real life dispute, you don't just stop and let the other person finish what they're saying. The Casino Battle Royale is shaping up to be quite interesting. I actually do want to see Cage and Archer square off. 

I hope Darby/Starks ends up being a singles match on the PPV though. 

I am slightly concerned the winner of that match will telegraph who wins Moxley/MJF, but we'll see. 

I thought the contract signing was strong, but I'm leaning further towards the right decision being a Moxley win. He's quietly become a brilliant character and champion and (PWI aside) he doesn't get enough credit for it. He really does feel like AEW's top guy, so credit to him for that. 

The Dark Order segment was a little rough, but once again I enjoyed it. Evil Uno's mic work was a little off, but Brodie Lee was pretty good. I liked Colt Cabana's disapproving facial expressions as Lee bullied the other members of the group. I'm looking forward to the eventual Cabana/Lee match, assuming that's what they're actually going to do. The build has been excellent. 

I'm really excited about All Out, it should be a lot of fun. 

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30 minutes ago, Supremo said:

And finally, that Big Swole match was some of the worst shit I’ve seen in ages. International television. Shockingly bad. Is that Reba woman even trained? Did she win a competition or something?

Yeah, that might actually have been the worst match ever to have aired on Dynamite. I was going to say "in AEW's history" until I remembered Michael Nakazawa vs. Alex Jebailey in the early days of the promotion. 

The Swole/Baker feud hasn't clicked for me at all. I have no idea how it started, and I don't really care about the conclusion. 

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Another show of good-to-great promos and bad-to-good matches.

Not enough was made of the gauntlet match essentially meaning a team could fly up the rankings in one night. I think they missold Dustin's off game on commentary, putting it down to cardio rather than the fact his baby brother was hospitalised by the Dark Order less than a week ago. Then again, the whole match came a little out of the blue, and felt like little more than a preamble to the big Page/Bucks angle. There's no way Page is heel here - last week, FTR pushed that thought in Page's head that while the Bucks were near the titles, he was always going to be in their shadow. They played on his fear and got the Bucks out of the equation. Good job too, because I don't know if they'd not bothered miking up the ringsiders with punters back in, or if the face vs face dynamic wasn't clicking, but Bucks vs BFs was dying on its arse. It was also a shame the Page angle wasn't the finish, because the timing in FTR vs BFs seemed all off, first in what looked like confusion over an FTR blind tag that the ref took ages to ignore, and then the reverse figure 4 finish where Chuck finally remembered to go home. Plus points: Tully looking boss, and Cash Wheeler being my captain.

Lovely promo vid for the NWA vs AEW women's match. I think I'm one of the few people on this forum that didn't get round to watching Powerrr, but that video sold me on Thunder Rosa 100%. The contract signing, though low key, looked great with Shida in her kimono and Rosa in her Dia De Los Muertos paint, both brandishing belts. One picture tells all the story.

The AEW contract angle was rightly given more time to breath and played to both guys' strengths. MJF may be hammy, but I'll take that over anything. Some of the content got a bit juvenile, but they didn't dwell on it and that's the type of thing that would get under the skin of a whelp like Friedman anyway. Next week's match is a nice little wrinkle on the way to the PPV. I've been happy with this build - I don't see MJF winning, but the whole angle has given him a focus as well as experience working at the top end of the card. It's a great investment in a guy who'll be a big player there in a year or two.

8 man was a bit of a nothing cluster fuck. I get it's a filler, but I found myself getting bored waiting for something that wasn't a spot into a spot into a spot. The cameras clearly couldn't keep up with the pace and disorganisation too, missing some moments, but when even Penta is turning away from the camera into the next move before even finishing his catchphrase, it's pretty shite. Butcher keeps getting dragged into these races too, when you just want him to thump people. A good twinkly promo by Kingston to finish, but not a great match at all.

This is the second time Jake has got into a promo confrontation where he loses it, jabbering over everyone and forgetting who he is. Some people like the 'realism' but this is another instance where something doesn't quite work without a lot of crowd noise - when all you can hear is guys flubbing lines over a mic, it looks amateurish to me. I like my promos to build to a punchline. It also annoys me that it forces Lance, the supposed loose cannon monster, to hold back aging knocked-kneed Roberts, which affects his own aura. Tazz (who I will admit has grown on me due to his decent commentary last few weeks) did his best here, and both Starks and Cage looked good, specially Starks who got dropkicked out of his shoes by an electric Darby Allin.

The Dark Order continue to come together, going full-on smart mark dorks for their Exalted hero. Loved Brodie shitting on their indy fan boy chanting and his Cena-esque new suit, then putting his goons in their place so hard I almost felt sorry for Evil Uno. No clue what the lawnmower thing is about. Sky, Cardona, and NNs vs DO is OK filler, and hopefully Sky has a decent showing.

Skipped the whole last match, because I'm not particularly invested in the feud, and because I'm not fussed about ads for Popeyes or General Insurance.

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2 hours ago, Supremo said:

I didn't understand the lawn mower thing with the Dark Order. I'm assuming it's a in-joke from BTE? If that's the case they should either explain it properly, or preferably don't reference it at all because Dark Order shouldn't be a comedy act right now regardless of how funny they might be on BTE.

Ugh, yes it is. I'll explain below, but I totally agree. They've generally done a good job of keeping BTE and Dynamite separate, with BTE fleshing out stuff rather than having things need to be explained on Dynamite, so this feels like a mistake.

So, the lawn mower thing has been funny on BTE but is likely to lose a lot in the explaining. BASICALLY... The Elite was supposedly offered a big money deal to be the new faces of Chilli's Baby Back Ribs (of Fat Bastard fame) and they all would have been rich, which suited them since they'd no longer have to kill themselves in the ring and they've been looking forward to finally selling out. They only had an hour to fax the paperwork back - the pressure got to Matt Jackson, who didn't sign the paperwork in time and cost them the deal. Everyone was upset, including Hangman who had planned to buy a sweet-ass lawn mower with his share.

A few weeks later, it turned out The Dark Order had been offered the deal instead, and Brodie Lee spent his share on seven lawn mowers because 'FUCK HANGMAN ADAM PAGE'. This was partly out of spite because Hangman mentioned to Brodie a little while ago that he applied to join the Dark Order while he was depressed, but they never got back to his email and now he feels better, he's glad he didn't join.

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I’ve decided all these factions popping up is going to be worth it when they all try and recruit Hangman and tells each and every one of them to fuck off. I hadn’t really thought about it until now, but if fans are back, even if it’s only a small percentage, it’s the perfect time to pull the trigger on this handsome bastard.

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Well you can't polish a turd. I think last weeks angle banged hard for me because it was unapologetically simple, no-nonsense wrestling on a show full of nonsense wrestling. But without Cody, it's still just Brodie Lee and The Dark Order. Same sloppy indie bullshit. Sorry that's proper Jim Cornette, but I guess I'm just disappointed. I like AEW but it's become clear that there's a lot baked-in to their booking philosophy that I despise, although they get a lot of it right too. 

I got a laugh out of Lee slapping the shit out of the overexcited minion, otherwise they haven't found a landing place for The Dark Order, tonally. It still feels like it's playing to the BTE bubble and has yet to find a groove on the main show. I appreciate the effort they've put in but it's all over the place.

Fortunately, Lance Archer lights up the arena whenever he shows up. Hopefully he isn't just another body in the battle royal and earns a title shot at Moxley down the road. Or even better, have him smash through The Dark Order for a few weeks before he topples Brodie Lee for the championship. That'd be awesome.

Whoever Thunder Rosa is they should sign her up immediately. Rosa, Ricky Starks and Eddie Kingston have been a massive shot in the arm for Dynamite. They've kind of swaggered in, so sure of themselves, pros with personalities ready to go. They don't come off like rookies scared at sight of a live microphone. Another reminder that I really fucking should get round to watching Powerrr at some point.  

The three of them are a massive contrast to The Elite. I don't know if it's down to the angle being stretched out for too long or it's just Page and The Bucks' shitty acting and promo ability, but Page getting sacked from The Elite was a total wet fart. I'm still intrigued though, there's still so many directions it can go in and the matches should be banging. FTR have been looking mint the last while too. It's a shame this didn't click earlier. I was thinking, with Moxley and Jericho doing midcard stuff, maybe they've missed the boat on FTR vs Page/Omega as the first Tag Team PPV main event? I guess Bucks/FTR can get that slot later.

The Moxley/MJF feud might be even more tragic than the Jericho/Cassidy feud. Such a shame. MJF playing a physically ineffective heel, doing gimmicky WWE promos with lines that Vince Russo would be proud of is a massive waste of him. Its midcard as fuck, and I wonder who's booking this stuff. Is this all on Moxley and MJF? Call me a cynical fuck, but I can't help but wonder if Cody's doing another of his dads tricks -Dusty and his real dad HHH - and booking himself as the real main event while Moxley trundles from one midcard feud to another. Still, I can't wait until he comes back for revenge on Brodie Lee. He makes all of his stuff good in the end and is still the best thing in the company.

'Judas', the Moxley pop, and the roar Orange Cassidy got as he rushed Jericho gave me goosebumps. Fuck, I miss the old world and those old AEW crowds. They were more vital to them than anything.

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48 minutes ago, Mr Butternut Squash said:

Well you can't polish a turd. I think last weeks angle banged hard for me because it was unapologetically simple, no-nonsense wrestling on a show full of nonsense wrestling. But without Cody, it's still just Brodie Lee and The Dark Order. Same sloppy indie bullshit. Sorry that's proper Jim Cornette, but I guess I'm just disappointed. I like AEW but it's become clear that there's a lot baked-in to their booking philosophy that I despise, although they get a lot of it right too. 

I got a laugh out of Lee slapping the shit out of the overexcited minion, otherwise they haven't found a landing place for The Dark Order, tonally. It still feels like it's playing to the BTE bubble and has yet to find a groove on the main show. I appreciate the effort they've put in but it's all over the place.

The mower stuff was a bit odd, but I really like The Dark Order now. The way they were portrayed last night kind of works for me.

You have Brodie Lee, a deeply unpleasant bully who showers his members with love at first (Cabana) before, when he knows they’re indoctrinated enough in his group, exerting control over them because he knows he can. 

The way they all behaved last night made them look like suck-ups and goofballs, but most of all vulnerable. And that’s why Lee managed to recruit all of these misfits. He can get away with treating them like shit because, like many real cult members, they have nowhere else to go. And they’ll continue to suck up to him just to get that sliver of acknowledgement he’ll occasionally dish out. 

In the long term the sympathy you feel for the likes of Grayson and Uno will help them break out into another character when they finally turn on Lee. 

I’d like to see the cult slowly disintegrate around Brodie as he continues to hold the belt, not giving a shit about who he loses because he cares more about his title run. Perhaps his own narrow vision eventually costing him the title. 

Regardless of how it plays out, for me, they’ve finally nailed The Dark Order as a faction. They’ve gone from a part of the show I dread to a consistently interesting story thread.

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Yeah just checked. Sunday again this week I’m guessing due to move to Thursday. Next Friday it’s back to being on it’s normal day, but an earlier start of 22:05

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Quite a weak episode this week for me although I think my enjoyment was seriously affected by FITE completely removing all the picture in picture segments meaning most of FTRs match as well as most of the main event was completely missing, and these were the 2 things I was mostly looking forward to. 

I too was lost with the lawnmower reference, I still don't think they get how niche the BTE programme is. I really enjoy AEW and watch dynamite weekly but never once have I wanted to watch BTE and weird skits like this that go completely over my head arnt going to change that. 

Hopefully things improve again because I called last weeks an almost perfect episode of wrestling TV in 2020 and this was very far from being that. 

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Yeah the lawnmower stuff was a BTE reference.

Basically The Elite were set to get a big sponsorship deal and Page was planning to buy a lawnmower out of his cut but for some reason (forget what) The Dark Order got the deal instead and Lee bought a bunch of lawnmowers to spite Page.

Definitely an odd part of the show to reference.

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