Keith Houchen Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Yeah I’m sure I speak for the whole UKFF when I say the sooner we see the back of that Houchen cunt the better. Absolute horrible man. 1 minute ago, westlondonmist said: I do think things would be better under Labour, I mean at the very least they couldn't be worse. As I say repeatedly, it would be better in the same sense it’s better to be robbed for 70 quid than it is for 100 quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted May 2 Moderators Share Posted May 2 I'm not proud of it or anything, but for the first time ever I just couldn't be arsed to vote today. Fed up with the whole thing. I think a lot of people are going to be in the same boat. And a shit turnout definitely doesn't favour Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Healys Chutney Spoon Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 In our area we only had a PFCC election so naturally I didn't bother....no idea what they do or why they matter so if they can't be bothered to tell the electorate what it's all about, why should we bother to vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fog Dude Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 3 hours ago, MungoChutney said: The whole narrative that we're going to see a rerun of 1997 is eroded by every policy decision Labour takes. This is just further evidence of that. Prescott was only one crank with an egg. The egg incident was in 2001 when there was a record low turnout for the general at under 60%. Already no great enthusiasm for New Labour even by that point, even if people correctly didn't trust the alternative. At 5pm I was only the 50th person to vote at my local polling station which is right in the city centre. Forgot to ask the staff if anybody had been turned away due to lack of ID. It's PCC (not pCc) only here as well so you could hardly tell there was an election on at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald J Trump Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, westlondonmist said: I do think things would be better under Labour, I mean at the very least they couldn't be worse. I understand they want to get as many votes as possible and try to have something for everyone. But I think they have hit a point where they are alienating people and I think there are certain areas that Labour should win safely but could not because they don't offer anything for the worker, I think there would be less public sector strikes, but no strong policies on it. Will voters just vote for the party that hates immigrants? Labours approach appears to me to be a scientific, data driven numbers exercise. They've analysed where the electorate stand on a range of issues, and have charted the course that will appeal to the demographics most likely to get them over the line while still maintaining party unity and remaining to the left of the conservatives. Any group they alienate has been a cynical calculation because they believe it will allow them to squeeze more votes out of a more electorally lucrative demographic. The problem with this approach is that politics is as much an art form as it is a science, and they are failing to build any meaningful relationship with any part of the electorate. They'll win enough votes at the next election because the Tories are finished, but people will drop them at the first sign of trouble. Whether Starmer really had a choice we won't ever know. Maybe the data is telling him the electorate as a whole is even less progressive than we think it is. Maybe after a failed Corbyn attempt at office, an incumbent Tory government that's abandoned the centre ground and a hostile right wing media, perhaps he looked at his chances and realised there's only one way to win, just as Tony Stark saw that rolling a seven was the only way to defeat Thanos. He might not deserve it, but I genuinely don't think this country can take another five years of the conservatives, and I mean that in the most literal sense possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lion_of_the_Midlands Posted May 3 Paid Members Share Posted May 3 Just back from my district count for PCC. Low turnout of 18.85% and in my district to no one's surprise the Conservative candidate won our district. It was a surprise that he was only 2400ish votes ahead. Last time on a similar turnout he was much further ahead on that. Tories are getting slaughtered across the board. Of the wards that the tories held that have declared they have lost 64% of them so far. That is much worse than even they expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Statto Posted May 3 Paid Members Share Posted May 3 (edited) Was a bit of an intriguing one yesterday in my neck of the woods - the 3 Labour councillors for my ward (plus one from another ward) quit the party & went independent about 6 months ago (over Gaza ceasefire issues & the collapse of a local redevelopment project) meaning Labour lost overall control of the city council. (The rest are all Lib Dems & Greens, no Tories here) Yesterday they all stood as independents against Labour candidates - over the last week there's been a few hand-written "Vote for the rightful LABOUR candidate" signs popping up in windows. Now hearing the police have got involved over a "dirty tricks" leaflet scandal of some kind or another, but I don't have any more detail as I refuse to pay £5 a month to subscribe to the local rag online when they'll still then force me to scroll past 18 embedded adverts every time I read an article. Edit: have now seen the article and my big take away is that the remaining Labour members refer to the deflectors as the Town Close Clique, which is wonderfully pro wrestling. Edited May 3 by Statto #tCc4Life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) As someone broadly of the soft, drippy centre left - eating bacon sarnies with Ed Miliband, ballroom dancing with Ed Balls and saving the world with Gordon Brown in the main - I don't really feel too passionate about this one way or the other, but... I suspect one of the great tragedies of the actual British left, and something that will stay engraved on their collective psyche for decades, will be that they couldn't hold the Labour Party a few years longer. The margins might be smaller, but I think whoever the Labour candidate was now they'd be beating the Tories. It's almost a historical hinge point for the country, that Labour decided to 'get serious' right before the Tories stripped naked, shot each other in the arse and set themselves on fire. So much of the 'appealing to Tories' that Starmer is doing makes cynical sense by traditional election and political standards, but you get the feeling he's piling in viagra after the stiffy has formed. He could easily afford to be more radical, I think. Edited May 3 by d-d-d-dAz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamp Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, d-d-d-dAz said: He could easily afford to be more radical, I think. Starmer hasn't got a radical bone in his body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallicks Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 This is the guy who had never heard of Special K until he was about to visit the Kelloggs factory, and then claimed it’d been his nickname for his whole life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 9 minutes ago, Vamp said: Starmer hasn't got a radical bone in his body. It was pretty much my point, that putting someone like that in position ahead of the Tories self immolating will be a missed opportunity thats a topic of conversation amongst British comrades for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted May 3 Paid Members Share Posted May 3 But at least he's electable and that's really all that matters, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted May 3 Paid Members Share Posted May 3 what I fully believe about Starmer right now is that his constituency isn't his voters, it's Rupert Murdoch. Nothing he's saying is intended, at least not as a priority, to win over voters that are already turned off by the Tories, or to offer radical change or explain how things will be better under Labour, he's doing everything he can to convince the press and big business that he's a safe pair of hands that won't come after their money. The biggest problem with that is that Labour are going to end up with a significant majority and will still squander it and not push through any meaningful change, because they'll still be playing compromise and trying not to scare those press and business interests too much. So while anything is an improvement over the Tories, I don't think it's going to be an improvement that will make a marked difference to people's lives, particularly not those who need it most. I don't think there's a more profound political disappointment in my life than the complete failure of any party or anyone in the political class to take the crisis of the pandemic and use it to inform genuinely transformative politics a la the Beveridge Report being written during WW2 and forming the basis for the NHS and the welfare state. I honestly think that was our last best hope. I don't blame anyone not being motivated to get out and vote at the moment. If the polling station weren't at the bottom of my road and on my way to the shops, I'd have found it difficult yesterday too. I bit my tongue and voted Labour, which is something I've been saying I wouldn't do, but Sadiq Khan is largely inoffensive and probably the best of the mayoral candidates - the other two votes went for smaller parties that more align with my views at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 44 minutes ago, hallicks said: This is the guy who had never heard of Special K until he was about to visit the Kelloggs factory, and then claimed it’d been his nickname for his whole life. Ironic seeing as listening to him makes me feel like I'm on Ketamine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 16 hours ago, SuperBacon said: I'll be honest, I reckon my local Labour councillor candidate should find a new hobby. He's on track for 8 in a row. He finished last again. Mate, give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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