The General Politics Thread v2.0 (AKA the "Labour are Cunts" thread)

[Devon Malcolm]

I think even calling Labour the Red Tories is now looking hopeful at this stage.

[Carbomb]

Redform

[cobra_gordo]

Binface for PM

[Donald J Trump]

It's becoming a bit of a farce at this point. This is going to be a tough coconut for some within Labour to swallow but Starmers grim march past the centre ground and towards christ knows where continues. I can understand why he'd like the optics of "if Elphicke can, you can too" but the local elections highlighted that it would be sensible to offer younger progressives something. If he genuinely believes he can't do that without becoming repellant to centrists then he's really no business being involved in frontline politics with the Labour Party. 

If I was advising Sunak I'd tell him it's only going to get progressively worse. Call it now before Starmer dreams up something that might actually appeal to his base. 

Edited May 8, 2024 by Donald J Trump
Elphrick, elfpricke, Elphicke???

[Tim Healys Chutney Spoon]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68976806

Monty Panesar quits already 

[Devon Malcolm]

He loves losing this lad, doesn't he?

 

[Keith Houchen]

Surprised Izzards hat hasn’t been thrown in the ring yet. 

[Donald J Trump]

It would really suck for Paul Mason if he finally manages to secure a Labour candidacy in a seat Labour have won at every election since the 1930s only to lose. Would be an ideal pick for Labour though. The race in Islington North will be one of the most high profile, heavily scrutinised in the country. You don't want to put a green candidate in there that can't walk and talk at the same time, but it's an outside bet so not every prospective capable candidate will fancy being parachute dropped into North London. He's also somebody left leaning Labour voters wouldnt need to hold their nose to support either. 

[Carbomb]

It won't necessarily be a slam dunk for Labour, though. Corbyn is known to be a very good constituency MP, and that, alongside the popularity he gained as Labour leader, not to mention a lot of the anger from people at the Labour party for how he was treated and the direction Keir Starmer's taken the party since, could all work in his favour.

Edited May 16, 2024 by Carbomb

[SuperBacon]

5 minutes ago, Donald J Trump said:

He's also somebody left leaning Labour voters wouldnt need to hold their nose to support either. 

Speak for yourself.

[Donald J Trump]

12 minutes ago, SuperBacon said:

Speak for yourself.

I'm not a left leaning Labour voter, but yes that is only my opinion on where most current Labour voters who are left leaning will be with this guy. There will of course be plenty of people who either don't fit that description, or who completely disagree. 

[Keith Houchen]

20 minutes ago, Carbomb said:

It won't necessarily be a slam dunk for Labour, though. Corbyn is known to be a very good constituency MP, and that, alongside the popularity he gained as Labour leader, not to mention a lot of the anger from people at the Labour party for how he was treated and the direction Keir Starmer's taken the party since, could all work in his favour.

Not to mention the constituency Labour Party almost unanimously wanted Corbyn as their Labour candidate. I know that doesn’t track to voters but his exemplary record as a constituency MP, as you said, holds him in excellent stead. 
 

No place for Corbyn or Abbot in Starmers Labour, but there is for Elphicke and Poulter. Says it all. 

[Devon Malcolm]

Well this is hugely encouraging although I'm trying not to get my hopes up.

https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/paediatrics/bma-urges-pause-on-implementation-of-cass-transgender-child-treatment-advice/

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The BMA has called for a pause to the implementation of the Cass review’s recommendations on treatment of transgender children.

The doctors’ union intends to undertake its own evaluation of the the independent report following ‘concerns’ voiced by doctors and academics, which it expects to complete towards the end of the year.

‘In the meantime, the BMA believes transgender and gender-diverse patients should continue to receive specialist healthcare, regardless of their age,’ it announced today.

 

Members of the BMA council voted in favour of a motion last week which asked the union to ‘publicly critique the Cass Review’.

The vote took place after doctors and academics ‘voiced concern about weaknesses in the methodologies used in the review’, and ‘problems arising from the implementation of some of the recommendations’, the BMA said.

The union added that there have been ‘ongoing discussions’ within the BMA about the Cass Review since it was published.

‘These, together with the council’s wishes, have helped to shape what will be a detailed, evidence-led piece of work,’ it said.

The Cass review’s report, published in April, concluded that for most young people a medical pathway may not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress.

An emergency ban on private prescribing of puberty blockers was implemented by the last Government the review’s publication, and this decision was defended by health secretary Wes Streeting earlier this month.

But the BMA has been critical of banning puberty blocker prescribing to children and young people with gender dysphoria, calling instead ‘for more research to help form a solid evidence base for children’s care’.

BMA council chair Professor Banfield will now appoint a task and finish group to look at the review and make recommendations to improve the healthcare system for transgender children.

He commented: ‘It is vitally important we take time and care to get this work right. This is a highly specialised area of healthcare for children and young adults with complex needs, and as doctors we want to be sure they get the most appropriate care and the support they need.

‘The task and finish group will make recommendations to improve the healthcare system that has, for too long, failed transgender patients. It will work with patients to ensure the evaluation invokes the old adage in medicine of “no decision about me without me”.

 

‘It is time that we truly listen to this group of important, valued, and unfortunately often victimised people and, together, build a system in which they are finally provided with the care they deserve.’  

The Cass review, which was published in April this year, found that children and young people seeking NHS care for gender-related distress have been let down by the ‘remarkably weak evidence base’ and an increasingly toxic public debate.

It concluded no clinician should be expected to prescribe outside of their competence and that GPs should not be expected to enter into a shared-care arrangement with a private provider, ‘particularly if that private provider is acting outside NHS guidance’.

In a detailed analysis of NHS gender services for those under the age of 18 years, paediatrician Dr Hilary Cass called for a more ‘holistic and personal’ approach with gender services matching the standards of care and research expected from other parts of the NHS.

The review was not about undermining the validity of trans identities but about determining the right healthcare approach for the growing number of children and young people looking for support with gender identity, Dr Cass said at the time.

 

[Max Power]

Haven't a clue whether this is the right place, but fuck me I had to put it somewhere.

I'm about a ten minute walk away from this hotel today. Its an absolute nightmare. These poor fuckers in that hotel having to endure this. Horrendous on all levels.

My cousin and her 9 year old haven't been able to get home and so have had to abandon their car and walk to my house.

Complete dickhead racist bastards.

[SuperBacon]

It's attempted murder, and every single person there is complicit.