Paid Members Duke Posted May 18, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, RedRooster said: I'll caveat this by saying that I know you're just repeating what someone else has said, FUM. This genuinely isn't aimed at you. However, it's really interesting to note the language used when talking about Sasha and Naomi. "Tantrum", "hissy fit" etc. While I'm not saying these phrases aren't - and haven't been - used while talking about male wrestlers, it's pretty telling that almost every time a female wrestler is reported to have an issue with management, these words rear their ugly heads. It's disproportionately prominent. It's worth saying that I don't think Alvarez used the word tantrum, and FUM is just using shorthand. You're right more generally though  2 hours ago, BomberPat said: At the end of the day, it's a job, and if you're not happy in your job, you're well within your rights to complain to your boss. And to take it further, you're well within your rights to quit if the boss doesn't listen to you. And most of our jobs don't involve you risking injury every time you do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, stewdogg said: Sasha doesn't do bad from her merch I'd bet, nor Naomi either. The amount of youngsters wearing Boss glasses, and having glowsticks is insane. Perhaps they're thinking they should be worth more because their merch is a good seller, which is a pretty shitty take on other entertainers in the company. Is it? Merch is always used as a metric as to who or what is over and what the audience connect to. If your merch is outselling most of the others, it shows you have leverage and marketability. Stone Cold 3:16 t shirts spring to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieranjennings Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 4 hours ago, air_raid said: Probably got something to do with how the better you do, the higher up the card you’re positioned, means the more you get paid and the more T-shirts you sell which in turn means AGAIN how much you get paid, how much attention you get for sponsorships and acting gigs etc which are other ways to get paid etc. Its not a perfect parallel to EastEnders as some seem to think. Isn't that the same for all entertainment though. The more exposure you have then the more doors will be opened for advertising contracts, other TV gigs or movies. I can see why wrestlers were more protective of their image in the 70s/80s when you'd make a living going from territory to territory and your drawing power could be hit if you were made to look a fool/wimp on the way out of your last place. It doesn't work like that though now does it. They are basically TV performers and sure, you may discuss the direction of your character, but you still have to deliver what you are contracted for surely else it's the wild west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 47 minutes ago, kieranjennings said: Isn't that the same for all entertainment though. The more exposure you have then the more doors will be opened for advertising contracts, other TV gigs or movies. Not really because you have to be talented and, for the purposes of adverts, be liked by the audience. An extreme example is Laurence Fox. A mediocre actor getting by but as soon as he opened his mouth, his family name isn’t opening the doors anymore because he’s an awful bollocks. On the other end of the spectrum you have Danny Dyer, a pretty poor actor but because he is liked (over, if you will) he gets the gigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted May 18, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 18, 2022 It's relentlessly depressing just how many people are willing to jump to this company's defence and doubt the intentions and stances of individual performers against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mal the Glorious Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 I'm just reminded of this meme: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members TheBurningRed Posted May 19, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, scratchdj said: There have been even more Bobby Beales that there have been Ultimate Warriors, for instance. There’s been Doctor Who levels of Ben Mitchells. Edited May 19, 2022 by TheBurningRed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Duke Posted May 19, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 19, 2022 22 hours ago, kieranjennings said: Isn't that the same for all entertainment though. The more exposure you have then the more doors will be opened for advertising contracts, other TV gigs or movies. I can see why wrestlers were more protective of their image in the 70s/80s when you'd make a living going from territory to territory and your drawing power could be hit if you were made to look a fool/wimp on the way out of your last place. It doesn't work like that though now does it. They are basically TV performers and sure, you may discuss the direction of your character, but you still have to deliver what you are contracted for surely else it's the wild west. They're TV performers that risk injury performing and get more money depending on their place on the card and how popular they are with the fans. Ken Barlow wasn't getting a cut of merch depending on how many tshirts with him punching Mike Baldwin they were selling. Also, wrestlers are expected to be a lot more invested in their characters than actors. It's really reductive to say "they're basically just TV actors, get over it", because they're "in character" a lot more than actors and have to travel the country where they're expected to be in character (or at least near it) and then they have to go hurt themselves for the cheering crowd. It's really not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted May 19, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 19, 2022 Actors also get credited under their real name. Whereas if your name is owned by WWE, and it's the one most people know you as, you're shit out of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUM Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 On 5/18/2022 at 1:31 PM, Duke said: It's worth saying that I don't think Alvarez used the word tantrum, and FUM is just using shorthand. You're right more generally though. Yeah to be fair to him, that was me. I do agree with the other poster who said that wrestling is one place you do see those sort of terms towards men as much as women. On a wider scale of the entire entertainment industry, it’s a fair remark though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TildeGuy~! Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) Pat’s silence and reaction to this is hilarious They’ve also removed all of their merch on the stores as well as removed Sasha from the TV intros. Edited May 21, 2022 by TildeGuy~! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Nick James Posted May 21, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 21, 2022 I suspect the snide part of them being suspended, is that WWE will also pause their contracts. No idea what the end goal is with all of this from WWE's perspective. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted May 21, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 21, 2022 A tournament! Haha! How many teams do they have? Two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Nick James Posted May 21, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Supremo said: A tournament! Haha! How many teams do they have? Two? If they weren't so stubborn and dead set on being the only place in town, they could really make it interesting by bringing in outside teams. More chance of Santina Marella teaming with Jillian Hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdogg Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I was thinking it was a work for a while. That’s pretty damning from WWE there. It will never be tenable for them to work there again after that burial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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