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14 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

Those AIDS ads were so damaging. They set a stigma that still exists today. I bet Priti Patel loves them. 

Oh man, I'm not sure I agree with that at all - I honestly think they saved lives, and too a far more grown-up approach to sex and contraception. Plenty of places refused to engage properly with AIDS and condom use, and saw it as a 'gay disease'. By treating it as something that could affect everyone, and encouraging safe sex generally, I think it was a rare thing to congratulate the government at the time about.

I totally get that it's aged, and I also get that AIDS/HIV is far from the life-sentence it was and that a stigma still exists around it. But look at what AIDS did to parts of Africa, where you had Catholic charities campaigning against condom use. For the time, it was hugely important. Ideally, what we need now is more public information showing us how people live with AIDS.

(Edit: If I'm missing context from the time, definitely interested in hearing - I've rarely heard anything other than praise about these campaigns, so I'd be genuinely interested if there are aspects to it I didn't know about)

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Just been in the smaller of the two Tesco in Lincoln. Things were pretty much in stock apart from loo roll and pet food. Did see one guy at the till getting told by the checkout girl that he couldn't

I'll eventually work through all the messages but I'm safe. Thanks folks. I'm still an absolute mess but safe all the same. 

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14 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said:

Those AIDS ads were so damaging. They set a stigma that still exists today. I bet Priti Patel loves them. 

Aye, I'd agree with that. This one (below) was aired frequently in Ireland when I was a nipper, and it - and me ma - terrified me to the point where I was afraid to touch those bar handle things on the seat in front of me on a bus in case I caught it. I was genuinely petrified of that illness, because...Ireland.
There was literally no education over here about it. It was genuinely borderline "Church says you'll get it if you rob a biscuit!".
I also had a secret fear of Brennans Bread because there was a song - and I'll never forget it - in the schoolyard that went "Don't buy Brennans Bread. You might get AIDS instead."
I've no idea where, why or how that even came to be, but it did, and it did a right number on me.

Then, an episode of 21 Jump Street genuinely made it better in my head when Johnny Depp hugged somebody with AIDS as a show of defiance. Never saw the episode since, but it stuck with me.

 

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28 minutes ago, Chris B said:

dit: If I'm missing context from the time, definitely interested in hearing - I've rarely heard anything other than praise about these campaigns, so I'd be genuinely interested if there are aspects to it I didn't know about)

I’m coming from my time working for a HIV charity. All I heard from older service users was how it increased being isolated and feared, and lead to increased physical attacks. It also lead to heterosexual men with HIV being beaten up because they must have really been gay. 
 

They lead to ostracising people with HIV and charities regarding funding because it was seen as a dirty seedy disease that affected deviants. These ads reinforced that narrative. It lead to increased fear and didn’t do much for awareness. At least that’s my experience but I accept others have different ones. 

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1 minute ago, Keith Houchen said:

I’m coming from my time working for a HIV charity. All I heard from older service users was how it increased being isolated and feared, and lead to increased physical attacks. It also lead to heterosexual men with HIV being beaten up because they must have really been gay. 
 

They lead to ostracising people with HMV and charities regarding funding because it was seen as a dirty seedy disease that affected deviants. These ads reinforced that narrative. It lead to increased fear and didn’t do much for awareness. At least that’s my experience but I accept others have different ones. 

I haven't heard much of that, and it's sad to read. I honestly thought that the ads had helped removed some of the homophobic stigma at the time, but that definitely gives context to it. Also, in hindsight, I was thinking of the larger campaign and the ads involving women working in the condom factory, so was thinking of the campaign as a whole. Thanks for the context, that's really useful to know..

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I remember being in a history of medicine lesson and some prat in the class telling his friend that "gay people created AIDS" and realising that he was a lad that wasn't worth punching in the face in case you caught the viral stupidity he'd obviously picked up.

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On 1/9/2021 at 12:25 PM, Your Fight Site said:

Yesterday, easyJet cancelled some flights I had to Portugal booked for May, so I’d be keen to know what they know for them to cancel flights so far in advance. Clearly things aren’t going to be “normal” come Spring.

 

On 1/9/2021 at 3:51 PM, LaGoosh said:

They don't know anything. Nobody does because all of this is unprecedented and unpredictable. And no one thinks things are going to normal in Spring, only that things will be different than they are now.

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I don't think other airlines have cancelled all flights which leads to the hilarious possibility that HMG told EasyJet that they were planning to close all travel corridors but didn't bother telling any of the other airlines.

In other holiday news, apparently people over 60 are booking holidays in Autumn in absolute droves at a level way higher than ever before. Cocky bastards living it up while the rest of wait for the vaccines.

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I have two trips booked before May, and another for June (the latter our honeymoon, for a wedding that was pushed back, all rollovers from last year, booked the year before). It's not important in the grand scheme of things, but losing them for the second year in a row is going to be an absolute shitter, and my resentment towards the government grows by the day for not getting on top of this. 

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I have a flight booked for February, to move back to the UK. Jersey is in a common travel area, rather than a travel corridor, so might be affected and might not be, because no one knows what the fucking difference is. 

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6 hours ago, SuperBacon said:

You're moving back here???

Trying to evade Bergerac presumably @BomberPat? Surely there's no other sane reason to come back (I jest, but fingers crossed it's all ok for you and your flight goes ahead)

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19 hours ago, Keith Houchen said:

I’m coming from my time working for a HIV charity. All I heard from older service users was how it increased being isolated and feared, and lead to increased physical attacks. It also lead to heterosexual men with HIV being beaten up because they must have really been gay. 
 

They lead to ostracising people with HIV and charities regarding funding because it was seen as a dirty seedy disease that affected deviants. These ads reinforced that narrative. It lead to increased fear and didn’t do much for awareness. At least that’s my experience but I accept others have different ones. 

I can remember the ostracisation well, even still in early 1990's from that. There was a lad playing quasar who volunteered he'd got HIV before a game of Quasar laser, in Weston and the look of sheer repulusion and horror on people's faces will stay with me. Everyone 'didnt' want to be on his team. It was awful.

It's interesting to read about older generation people as for a while they were in the main straight and LGBTQ the highest amount of HIV/AIDS sufferers, especially amongst those who have though they have had kids and do not need protection any more there was a massive rise in the mid 2000's https://www.gmjournal.co.uk/hiv-in-the-ageing-population

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The proportion of adults accessing HIV services who were above the age of 50 rose from 12% in 2002 to 22% in 2011.7 Worryingly, the number of older adults being diagnosed late, after HAART should have been commenced, is disproportionately high; 61% in over 50s versus 45% in those younger than 50 years.7 It is well established that late diagnosis is associated with increased morbidity and mortality8 and a poorer response to HAART.9

Challenging misconceptions, perceptions and attitudes

The reasons for the trend towards late diagnosis in the over 50s are not clear but are likely to do with the fact that HIV prevention, counselling, testing, and education efforts are largely directed at the younger generation. This may be because widely-held societal beliefs are that after the age of 50 years, people become either sexually inactive or are in monogamous heterosexual relationships.

 

Since then  Chemsex, https://www.aidsmap.com/news/may-2018/gay-men-having-chemsex-are-five-times-more-likely-have-new-hiv-diagnosis-other-gay is having a huge impact as is the over reliance on PrEP etc to manage the condition and the feeling among the younger generation that they are invincible and as such arent as 'scared' of it, which is bonkers. 

It is important though that the stigma of HIV/Aids as an LGBTQ disease is smashed as in the latest figures I have only 41% are M2M or Bi https://www.tht.org.uk/hiv-and-sexual-health/about-hiv/hiv-statistics#:~:text=The most recent estimate suggests,know they are HIV positive. 

In short, if you have a new partner, irrespective, take precautions, get tested before a new relationship and so on https://www.bustle.com/p/heres-how-to-talk-to-a-new-partner-about-sexual-health-according-to-experts-18805522

 

 

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15 hours ago, BomberPat said:

I have a flight booked for February, to move back to the UK. Jersey is in a common travel area, rather than a travel corridor, so might be affected and might not be, because no one knows what the fucking difference is. 

Is this you moving in with the other half? If so congrats!. Hopefully things regarding corridors and the rest can be sorted (moving was/is allowed under exceptions I thought?)

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Just seen this photo from a wrestling show in Oklahoma over the weekend.

The comments on FB are full of "Oh its ok, everyone was wearing masks."

This has been a phoenomenon I've noticed a lot while watching the Election and subsequent coverage over recent months.

Seems to be a prominent mindset over there that wearing masks is ok on its own, but without social distancing the protection it offers is pretty limited.

 

 

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