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36 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said:

@LWOLeN How much longer are you going to show off your ability to search for Owen Hart videos on YouTube? Go and do a Nugget thread ffs.

Also found this for you:

Martha Hart on Jericho's podcast

https://omny.fm/shows/talk-is-jericho/owen-martha-hart-to-hart

Martha said, “He tried for a long time to get out of the business and he applied to the fire department every year for years and at that time, it was really hard to get on the fire department.”

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I haven't watched the show yet, and honestly I don't know if I'm going to be able to bring myself to. But I did listen to Martha Hart on Jericho's podcast. She talks about her favourite Owen Hart

It's almost like they controlled the narrative in one of those docs.

Saw this picture on Twitter. Christ, even when Russo shaves it doesn’t have a proper finish. 

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35 minutes ago, Maverick said:

Wasn't he planning to save up enough cash (as he himself said in home video footage) and get out and become a fireman? Heard it said often he wasn't planning on being around much longer. 

Thought you meant Foley for a minute. Imagine you're burning to death and he comes up the fucking ladder.

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Have to say these have been really good. Pretty balanced and objective too which i didn't think they would be.

Going slightly off on a tangent, how does it work for the documentary makes using archived WWE footage? Is it as simple as once they pay the fee(s) to use licensed material they can just fit it around their own narrative? Wouldn't have thought they would allow any of their official stock footage to be used on stuff like this, particularly the stuff that was a bit more 'nudge nudge, wink wink' like the Snuka and Moolah episodes.

Favourite episode for me woul be the Brawl For All purely because i missed it at time it originally aired and was always very curious especially with all the urban myths that go with it. Dino Bravo one was also very interesting as for some reason, despite reading (and assuming) i'd read all the dirt, rumours and internet gossip over the years i can honestly say hand on heart i had never heard the theory or background story they he died in an alleged mafia hit.

 

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Fair play to Martha for firstly simply managing to survive such an awful thing, but then going on to raise two well adjusted kids and have a great career herself. Plus setting up the Owen Hart foundation all while taking on Vince & the WWF in the legal system. It's actually sickening the lies WWF and some of the Hart's spread about her. I'd never seen footage of that presser either, Vince acting the cunt with the reporter is ridiculous and in such bad taste at a time like that.

That line Taker had in network doc about "taking a bullet for Vince" if he had to is needless, I'd say Vince would be quick enough to push him in front of it anyway.

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3 minutes ago, DCW said:

Fair play to Martha for firstly simply managing to survive such an awful thing, but then going on to raise two well adjusted kids and have a great career herself. Plus setting up the Owen Hart foundation all while taking on Vince & the WWF in the legal system. It's actually sickening the lies WWF and some of the Hart's spread about her. I'd never seen footage of that presser either, Vince acting the cunt with the reporter is ridiculous and in such bad taste at a time like that.

Yeah I thought she came across really well and not at all like had been put out there about her. 

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That Bret statement is not good. Besides the fact that he ignores the real point of the piece, the negligence of WWE, he then goes off on a weird tangent about Martha erasing Owen's legacy? Owen is still spoken about all the time. Nobody is erasing him at all. I don't see how going into a Hall Of Fame that is basically bollocks is any way to honour the man. His line about royalty checks is just cheap as well. Maybe try to connect personally rather than issue a defensive statement. 

On Jericho's Pod, Martha mentions that she's met a number of the grandchildren and they've all been respectful, so she's obviously not locking anything off with certain generations. But fucking hell, why would you want anything to do with a family that seems to have a sycophantic relationship with the company who caused your husband and fathers death and then didn't give two shits about you after? 

I love Bret, but I lose a little bit of respect for him every time he talks these days.

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Stark stuff, as LWO Len shows us, there are always people who think that Martha is hateful for not letting Owen into the HOF, but  what will the HOF provide, exactly?   A WWE Network Playlist, an insincere acceptance speech, a gaudy ring, and the chance for a few thousand marks to play as Owen Hart in a 2K game.   Meanwhile Vince gets an ego boost and gets to tell himself that he’s alright really.   

As for a comparison, look at Bret, his major appearances in 2019 involved him getting thrown around by some idiot at the HOF, and getting a bit lost and falling down a hole in at AEW all under the auspices of “I used to be the Hitman, me.”    

Meanwhile, Martha has Parlayed Owen’s name into something to be proud of.   A charity that helps people.   Their kids don’t have to sell his Hasbro’s on ebay, or go into the business, only for a heel on Raw wearing a fucking Blue Blazer mask in a promo to hype up an undercard on the pre-show on Stomping ground.  

Your legacy is not defined by having your name on a website.   It’s the memories that people have, and yes, his family (both sides), his fans and his friends in the business have wonderful memories that don’t need to be on a  three hour special between William Shatner getting the nod, and a five hour speech from Terry Taylor.    
 

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With Bret being the Friend in the family, no wonder she has distanced herself. Very glad they seem to have a decent life and have grown up well adjusted and helping others. Some good has come of this, the family are the most important people , and he should never be in the HOF of a company who’s actions led to an unnecessary death against Their wishes 

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Just got round to watching the David Schultz episode. It didn’t disappoint in the slightest because Schultz is, predictably, full of shit.

”Herb would bring people in, and they’d say you need to do something with this kid. We’re beating on him and he’s just too tough”- yeah, course they did pal

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As sad as the episode is, Martha and His kids did an amazing job celebrating Owen, the man. Yeah, we all knew him as a great Wrestler but he just seemed like a great guy. I thought it was a wonderful episode about the most tragic circumstances. 

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14 hours ago, Stylin_and_Profilin said:

Have to say these have been really good. Pretty balanced and objective too which i didn't think they would be.

Going slightly off on a tangent, how does it work for the documentary makes using archived WWE footage? Is it as simple as once they pay the fee(s) to use licensed material they can just fit it around their own narrative? Wouldn't have thought they would allow any of their official stock footage to be used on stuff like this, particularly the stuff that was a bit more 'nudge nudge, wink wink' like the Snuka and Moolah episodes.

 

 

American copyright law has quite wonderful fair usage clauses which means you could happily use WWE footage without their consent in small sections throughout a documentary to support a wider narrative. My guess is that WWE didn't provide any of the footage featured ( the crowd shots from the Over The Edge PPV are obviously taken from a VHS rip) 

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I haven't watched the show yet, and honestly I don't know if I'm going to be able to bring myself to. But I did listen to Martha Hart on Jericho's podcast.

She talks about her favourite Owen Hart matches, and mentions his matches with Bret, with Hiroshi Hase in NJPW, and with Makhan Singh in Stampede, and talked favourably about Owen's time in NJPW. That's not the answer of someone who hates wrestling and wanted Owen out of it. It's someone who hates the WWF, because their negligence killed her husband and then they denied all culpability. WWE have just done a great job of convincing the world that WWE and Wrestling are interchangeable terms.

As for Bret, it's a shame that he sees things that way, but he's never really been one to have his priorities in the right place anyway. And as far as keeping distant from the Hart Family, can you fucking blame them? Any wrestling biography that goes anywhere near that family - let alone the mad shit in the books written by members of the family - should be enough to make you want to put some distance between them and you; a complete nest of sex criminals, animal abusers, drug addicts and lunatics, with everything ever recounted about them being a madcap wrestling family sounding like something out of a true crime series or an airport book about surviving an abusive childhood in any other context.

 

As for wanting to celebrate Owen's career? I just put his name into the WWE Network, it came back with 58 PPVs and 99+ matches. Outside of WWE, I can watch him in NJPW, I can go on YouTube and watch him on World of Sport, I can watch him vs Colonel Brody on an old Eurosport wrestling show, I can watch him in Stampede, I can watch his match against Canek in Mexico. We've never had more Owen Hart content to choose from.

And if people want his legacy respected, well, there's the Owen Hart Foundation right there. Bung them a few quid, it'll achieve more good than a WWE check-box exercise ever will.

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