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55 minutes ago, Ricc1PW said:

didn't they do it in Saudi a couple of years ago? it wasn't great.

That was a good match. Just lovely work from two comfortable vets. Played out to near silence though which is never fun.

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It was a great match, particularly for that show - it was as basic as wrestling gets, but by two people who can do basic extremely well. The entire match was basically an exercise in teaching the audience how a wrestling match works, and that was fascinating to see from the people involved.

I'm honestly starting to think that we might get a Wrestlemania without self-indulgent Triple H and Shane McMahon matches, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

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2 hours ago, BomberPat said:

I'm honestly starting to think that we might get a Wrestlemania without self-indulgent Triple H and Shane McMahon matches, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

I am very confident there won't be a Shane McMahon match, but I'm still expecting Triple H will be. Seth Rollins and crew need a WrestleMania match, and I can't see another round with Owens, Joe and the Vikings being it. I was expecting Rey Mysterio and Cain Velasquez to be added to the team against them, Rey seems fairly locked with the Mexican upstarts though. So I'm hoping for Owens and three legends being the opposition for the Messiah lot.

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If it has to be hopefully it's full of every gimmick, bell and whistle possible. Nothing bores me more than when Triple H does his Ric Flair impression and stinks up the joint with a 30 minute dud.

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I'd accept Owens bringing in Hunter against Seth's group if it meant they finally tied up that Triple-H-hands-Kevin-Owens-the-Universal-Title thing from years ago.

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21 minutes ago, Supremo said:

I'd accept Owens bringing in Hunter against Seth's group if it meant they finally tied up that Triple-H-hands-Kevin-Owens-the-Universal-Title thing from years ago.

Dunno if you’ve seen it but there’s a Kevin Owens special on the WWE network where he talks about that. He said even though it went absolutely nowhere as a storyline, it meant a lot to him in real life because HHH was the person who signed him and developed him. It was bizarre that they did nothing with it, but it was too nonsensical to make sense of anyway. Kevin Owens was the last person that the established Authority gimmick would see as the marketable top champion.

Tying up the logic of it years later with Hunter as a babyface and Seth as a heel would be even worse than leaving it dead, though, unless they’ve got some ace up their sleeves with the writing. Or actually, I’m up for them just referencing it as a throwaway joke like when Kofi lost his Jamaican accent.

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That Cena Vs Tripper match curtain jerked that 50 man Rumble event. Was a decent match. The crowd were sitting on their hands. 

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I can only imagine how awful Smackdown was to be in the crowd for with the number of backstage skits, interviews via Satellite, Valentines Day stuff and another over long Sami/Elias bit in the ring.

Bayley/Carmella was pretty good, as was the main event. But the rest of the show. Ugh. Still, at least they are setting up matches for Super Showdown

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Imagine if Hulk Hogan gets a match with Bray Wyatt at WrestleMania. The Mandible Claw is one of the few moves the Hulkster could still take, actually.

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It happened again...

 

DOLPH ZIGGLER VS. KOFI KINGSTON: THE COMPLETE SAGA

(according to Online World Of Wrestling)

 

1. October 2, 2009 – A Decade of SmackDown: Mike “The Miz” Mizanin and Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston and John Morrison.

2. November 23, 2009 – RAW: Kofi Kingston (RAW) defeated Dolph Ziggler (SmackDown) in a Breakthrough Battle Royal Qualifier

3. March 26, 2010 – WWE SmackDown: SmackDown w/ Dolph defeated RAW w/ Kofi in a Money in the Bank Preview 10-Man Tag Team Match

4. March 28, 2010 – WrestleMania 26: Jack Swagger won the 10-Man Money in the Bank Ladder match to earn a title shot any time

5. May 7, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in an Intercontinental Title Tournament Semi-Final Match.

6. June 25, 2010 – SmackDown: Christian and MVP and Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler and Vance Archer and Curt Hawkins.

7. July 2, 2010 – SmackDown: WWE Intercontinental champion Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero.

8. July 18, 2010 – Money in the Bank: Kane won the SD! Money in the Bank Ladder match to earn a World Heavyweight title match.

9. July 23, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Kofi Kingston in a Non-title match

10. July 30, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Kofi Kingston by disqualification

11. August 6, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero defeated Kofi Kingston to win the WWE Intercontinental title

12. August 15, 2010 – SummerSlam: WWE Intercontinental champion Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero vs. Kofi Kingston ended in a No Contest

13. August 20, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler by disqualification when Vickie Guerrero pushed Kofi off the top rope

14. August 27, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero by countout

15. September 10, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston and Chris Masters defeated Dolph Ziggler and Chavo Guerrero (w/Vickie and Kaitlyn)

16. September 19, 2010 – Night of Champions: Dolph Ziggler (w/Vickie Guerrero and Kaitlyn) defeated Kori Kingston to retain the WWE Intercontinental title

17. December 13, 2010 – The Slammy Awards: Kofi Kingston and Daniel Bryan defeated Dolph Ziggler (w/Vickie) and Ted DiBiase (w/Maryse)

18. December 10, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Dolph Ziggler by disqualification after interference by Jack Swagger

19. December 17, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston and Kaval defeated Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero

20. December 18, 2010 – WWE Tribute to the Troops: Kofi Kingston and The Big Show defeated Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler

21. December 19, 2010 – TLC PPV: Dolph Ziggler beat Kofi Kingston and Jack Swagger in a 3-WAY Ladder Match to retain the WWE Intercontinental title

22. December 31, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero beat Kofi Kingston and Jack Swagger in a 3-WAY to retain the Intercontinental title

23. January 7, 2011 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero to win the WWE Intercontinental title

24. Vickie Guerrero booked an immediate rematch; Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler to retain the WWE Intercontinental title

25. May 30, 2011 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated U.S. Champion Kofi Kingston in a non-title match

26. June 13, 2011 – RAW: U.S. Champion Kofi Kingston and Evan Bourne defeated Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger

27. June 19, 2011 – WWE Capitol Punishment: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston by submission to win the United States title

28. June 20, 2011 – RAW: Kofi Kingston defeated WWE United States champion Dolph Ziggler by disqualification in a 2/3 Falls Match

29. June 27, 2011 – RAW: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in a Non-title Players Choice Match with Vickie banned

30. October 3, 2011 – RAW: John Cena, CM Punk, Sheamus, Kofi Kingston, Mason Ryan and Evan Bourne defeated Alberto Del Rio, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, Cody Rhodes, Christian and David Otunga.

31. October 7, 2011 – SmackDown: U.S. Champion Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger defeated WWE Tag Team Champions Kofi Kingston and Evan Bourne in a non-title match

32. October 10, 2011 – RAW: Kofi Kingston, Evan Bourne and Mason Ryan defeated David Otunga, Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger

33. October 14, 2011 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston and Zack Ryder defeated U.S. Champion Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger

34. February 6, 2012 – RAW: Chris Jericho defeated WWE Champion CM Punk, Dolph Ziggler, The Miz, R-Truth and Kofi Kingston in a 6 pack non-title match

35. February 19, 2012 – Elimination Chamber: WWE Champion CM Punk defeated Dolph Ziggler, Chris Jericho, The Miz, R-Truth, Kofi Kingston in the elimination chamber match to retain the title.

36. February 21, 2012 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger defeated Kofi Kingston and R-Truth

37. February 27, 2012 – RAW: WWE Tag Team Champions Epico and Primo Colon defeated Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger and Kofi Kingston and R-Truth in a 3-way tag team match to retain the titles

38. March 19, 2012 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger defeated R-Truth and Kofi Kingston

39. April 1, 2012 – Wrestlemania 28: Team Johnny (Mark Henry, David Otunga, Dolph Ziggler, Christian, The Miz, and Jack Swagger) defeated Team Teddy (Santino Marella, Kofi Kingston, R-Tuth, Zack Ryder, Great Khali, and Booker T) to give John Laurinaitis full control of WWE television

40. May 7, 2012 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.

41. May 14, 2012 – RAW: WWE Tag Team Champions R-Truth and Kofi Kingston and Brodus Clay defeated The Miz, Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger

42. May 20, 2012 – Over The Limit: WWE Tag Team Champions Kofi Kingston and R-Truth defeated Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger to retain the titles

43. May 28, 2012 – RAW: WTC Kofi Kingston and R-Truth defeated Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler to retain

44. September 24, 2012 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston by pin fall. Before the match both R-Truth and Vickie Guerrero were sent to the back

45. September 27, 2012 - Superstars: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.

46. November 12, 2012 – RAW: Alberto Del Rio and Dolph Ziggler defeated I.C. Champion Kofi Kingston and Randy Orton

47. November 18, 2012 – Survivor Series: Alberto Del Rio, Damien Sandow, David Otunga, Dolph Ziggler, and Wade Barrett defeated Kane, Daniel Bryan, Kofi Kingston, The Miz, and Randy Orton in the traditional Survivor Series match. Dolph Ziggler was the sole survivor.

48. February 17, 2013 – Elimination Chamber: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston

49. March 18, 2013 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.

50. March 22, 2013 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston

51. April 29, 2013 – RAW: WWE world heavyweight champion Dolph Ziggler defeated WWE United States champion Kofi Kingston in a non-title match

52. June 29, 2014 – Money in the Bank: Seth Rollins defeated Dean Ambrose, Jack Swagger, Rob Van Dam, Kofi Kingston, and Dolph Ziggler in a “Money in the Bank” ladder match to win the championship contract

53. June 1, 2015 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.

54. June 14, 2015 – Money in the Bank: Sheamus defeated Roman Reigns, Randy Orton, Neville, Kane, Dolph Ziggler, and Kofi Kingston in a “Money in a Bank” ladder match

55. September 21, 2015 – RAW: WWE tag team champions the New Day and Rusev defeated Dolph Ziggler and the Dudley Boyz in a 6-man tag team match

56. January 7, 2016 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler, Neville, Goldust, and R-Truth defeated The Miz and the WWE tag team champions the New Day in an 8-man tag team match

57. January 21, 2016 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler and the Usos defeated WWE tag team champions the New Day in a 6-man tag team match

58. January 28, 2016 – SmackDown: The Usos, Dolph Ziggler, and Titus O’Neil defeated WWE tag team champions the New Day and the Miz in an 8-man tag team match

59. June 7, 2019 – WWE Super ShowDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler to retain the WWE title

60. June 11, 2019 – SmackDown Live: The New Day defeated Dolph Ziggler, Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn

61. June 23, 2019 - WWE Stomping Grounds: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in a Steel Cage match to retain the WWE title

62. June 25, 2019 - SmackDown Live: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in a Two Out Of Three Falls match to retain the WWE title

63. October 25, 2019 - SmackDown Live: Dolph Ziggler & Robert Roode defeated Kofi Kingston & Big E.

64. December 13, 2019 - SmackDown: Kofi Kingston & Big E defeated Dolph Ziggler & King Corbin by DQ.

65. February 21, 2020 - SmackDown: The Usos & The New Day def. The Miz, John Morrison, Dolph Ziggler & Robert Roode.

 

They’re still all square at this point, 29-29 with 7 additional non-finishes.


Last night’s match means that the series now stretches across three decades.

Edited by HarmonicGenerator
The Dart!

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It’s not even close. Goldberg’s ten times the star of Wyatt and needs to be going into Wrestlemania as champion. I don’t give a single fuck about Roman Reigns vs. The Fiend, whereas Goldberg vs. Roman is a genuine dream match.

I don’t understand how anyone can watch that final segment and not come to the same conclusion. Fingers crossed Vince calls an audible before Thursday.

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Money.

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Never going to happen unfortunately.

Reigns/Fiend will be such a comedown after this.

Saying that though, Fiend/Roman is probably best happening at Mania where it will get lost in the shuffle and played out to silence, hopefully save Reigns/Goldberg to main event a proper show where the crowd will be hot for it.

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