d-d-d-dAz Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 minutes ago, RedRooster said: If Rock had won the Rumble, Iām not sure āWe want Codyā would have happened. I donāt agree with most of your takes on this feud (such as Cody ānot being a faceāā¦Iām not sure how youād back that statement up, but I think youād struggle to make the case for it) - but I think youāre probably correct as far as that is concerned.Ā Agree with this, I think the key thing they did was have Cody win the Rumble and signal to Roman, combined with the awkward stilted promo where Cody handed the match to The Rock. In the middle of everything else that was going on, it was clearly a quickly cobbled together retcon and the fans kicked off. I think if they'd gone about it a different way there'd have been some kickback, but nothing like what they got, and they'd have been able to run Roman/Rock quite easily, and Seth/Cody or whatever they wanted to do on the other night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted March 24 Paid Members Share Posted March 24 33 minutes ago, RedRooster said: If Rock had won the Rumble, Iām not sure āWe want Codyā would have happened. I donāt agree with most of your takes on this feud (such as Cody ānot being a faceāā¦Iām not sure how youād back that statement up, but I think youād struggle to make the case for it) - but I think youāre probably correct as far as that is concerned.Ā Cheers. As to Cody not being a face, what I meant was heās not a traditional face. Cody does things in his own way (itās why the Codyverse became such a millstone). The guy even called out the Homelander comparison of himself for Christs sake. For every few face traits there are underlying heel ones. Now, Iām not saying you need to be straight face or straight heel, gray has been a popular wrestling colour for years. But if you want to be the white meat baby face, you canāt do the heel bits. We Want Cody only happened because The Rock swooped in and made Cody back out of the Roman fight. Cody could have won the Rumble, had an in ring with Roman and Seth about making a decision, and made the decision that he didnāt feel Roman deserved the same spotlight as Cody, so Iāve decided Iām fighting Seth, and than said but I spoke to someone willing to and the Rocks music hit. I mean the most telling thing about when they did that segment was how Cody looked, and his body language, with the Rock all smiles. Because they assumed that match was what the fans really wanted. As much as they have tried damage control with the situation, itās still left a sour taste for a lot of people. Because you have people in both Cody and Rock v Roman camps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Cody is the closest to a pure babyface main eventer they've had since Cena or Bryan. He's out there kissing babies and going to kids birthday parties and a bazillion other things. I'm not sure they could get much more traditional if they tried. He's Hogan without the racism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I'm not sure that it's Cody that's most at risk from being overshadowed by The Rock. Ā For me, it's Roman Reigns that is most at risk of being in the shade. Ā Reigns' charisma is sort of a smouldering one, built now on a solid foundation of being THE guy for years and a very, very long title reign. Ā He's the one most contrasted with the bright burning flame of The Rock. Ā But in all honesty, it's for these guys to step up. Ā They're getting equal screen time with him, they have the opportunity to knock it out of the park. Ā When Hogan came back in The Rock was in a similar position but the two of them managed to put on a classic and improve both their reputations. Ā Personally I think there's only one guy on the roster with the sort of charisma you need to stand up to The Rock, someone with undeniable kavorka. Ā Rocky may have the flowery shirt, but he has the shoes of a champion. Ā Yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lion_of_the_Midlands Posted March 24 Paid Members Share Posted March 24 23 minutes ago, Loki said: Personally I think there's only one guy on the roster with the sort of charisma you need to stand up to The Rock, someone with undeniable kavorka. Ā Rocky may have the flowery shirt, but he has the shoes of a champion. Ā Yeah. Attitude Era by Temu is having enough trouble dicing with the body of AJ Styles that's possessed by the ghost of Randy Savage. The Rock would eviscerate him.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUM Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 43 minutes ago, Loki said: I'm not sure that it's Cody that's most at risk from being overshadowed by The Rock. Ā For me, it's Roman Reigns that is most at risk of being in the shade. Completely agree with this. Donāt feel like Cody has lost anything from all of this. Roman completely looks like heās playing second fiddle to his family member. The best he looked was telling The Rock to acknowledge him but outside that heās looked like a bit part in all of this and I donāt think itās anything he is personally doing - itās the way it has been written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lorne Malvo Posted March 24 Paid Members Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, Loki said: Ā Personally I think there's only one guy on the roster with the sort of charisma you need to stand up to The Rock, someone with undeniable kavorka. Ā Rocky may have the flowery shirt, but he has the shoes of a champion. Ā Yeah. CM Punk's injured, isn't he? Yeah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 8 hours ago, FUM said: Completely agree with this. Donāt feel like Cody has lost anything from all of this. Roman completely looks like heās playing second fiddle to his family member. The best he looked was telling The Rock to acknowledge him but outside that heās looked like a bit part in all of this and I donāt think itās anything he is personally doing - itās the way it has been written. Depends what the long game is really. Assuming Roman loses, what happens after this? That's always been a very big question. There's plenty of opportunities to get his heat back after all this. If the plan is for Rock/Roman at some point then it all makes more sense. In fact I've always enjoyed the paranoid side of Roman's character. I think that's always been the main weakness whenever we've seen it, so if this is all a long game by Cody/Rock then it makes sense. If it isn't..Ā well hopefully they'll keep Roman strong in the rebound somehow. I highly doubt they've invested this much time in him just to leave him as a side character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted March 25 Paid Members Share Posted March 25 13 minutes ago, DavidB6937 said: Depends what the long game is really. Assuming Roman loses, what happens after this? ā¦. I highly doubt they've invested this much time in him just to leave him as a side character. Forgive me if Iām repeating myself but I wonder how much longer Roman really wants to go on. The length of his title(s) run has been very much āWell, we said weād make you top dog. We know we made you wait too long and jerked you around on the way first time roundā¦ and second timeā¦. and third time. Well - here it is, youāre the guy.ā We know heās fought cancer twice. We know heās been working limited dates already for a couple of years. Some online mutterings a couple of months ago suggested heās been saying how tired he is, that it takes him longer and longer to recover after each match. It wouldnāt surprise me if heās got one more of the āBig 3ā left in him before riding off into the sunset after Mania 41. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King of Old School Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I don't think he rides off into the sunset after Mania 41 for good, they never do do they? I just hope when it comes around to Rock-Roman next year that it's The Rock who is heel after him and the bloodline take Reigns out after Mania this year. Seen Roman is advertised for this years Summerslam already, maybe have him vs Solo then if they can build Solo back up at all. Is it correct that Solo has lost every match he has been in since the Saudi show where he beat Cena? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 12 hours ago, Hannibal Scorch said: Cheers. As to Cody not being a face, what I meant was heās not a traditional face. Cody does things in his own way (itās why the Codyverse became such a millstone). The guy even called out the Homelander comparison of himself for Christs sake. For every few face traits there are underlying heel ones. Now, Iām not saying you need to be straight face or straight heel, gray has been a popular wrestling colour for years. But if you want to be the white meat baby face, you canāt do the heel bits. Ā Such as? I'm genuinely perplexed at your assessment here. Outsmarting the heels as he did on Friday doesn't really cut it. In both WWE and AEW you see situations arise far too often in which heel groups attack babyface after babyface, and the wrestlers in question never think to bring back-up (aside from The Bloodline, look at the Social Outcasts) - being a sucker shouldn't be a 'babyface trait'...(not that I'm suggesting you're saying that) 1 hour ago, air_raid said: Forgive me if Iām repeating myself but I wonder how much longer Roman really wants to go on. The length of his title(s) run has been very much āWell, we said weād make you top dog. We know we made you wait too long and jerked you around on the way first time roundā¦ and second timeā¦. and third time. Well - here it is, youāre the guy.ā We know heās fought cancer twice. We know heās been working limited dates already for a couple of years. Some online mutterings a couple of months ago suggested heās been saying how tired he is, that it takes him longer and longer to recover after each match. It wouldnāt surprise me if heās got one more of the āBig 3ā left in him before riding off into the sunset after Mania 41. I could definitely see his schedule becoming even more limited. It'll be interesting to see what approach WWE takes going forward, once Roman does wrap things up. I suspect they'll transition into more of an ensemble approach, rather than having one 'central star' (as with Reigns and Cena) - but if they do go for a 'central star', I think there's every chance the 'face of the company' could be female - the wrestlers with 'megastar' potential are pretty much all women - Rhea, Cargill, Belair and Stratton. I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting - but it'll be interesting to see what they do.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, air_raid said: Forgive me if Iām repeating myself but I wonder how much longer Roman really wants to go on. The length of his title(s) run has been very much āWell, we said weād make you top dog. We know we made you wait too long and jerked you around on the way first time roundā¦ and second timeā¦. and third time. Well - here it is, youāre the guy.ā We know heās fought cancer twice. We know heās been working limited dates already for a couple of years. Some online mutterings a couple of months ago suggested heās been saying how tired he is, that it takes him longer and longer to recover after each match. It wouldnāt surprise me if heās got one more of the āBig 3ā left in him before riding off into the sunset after Mania 41. That has been something I've wondered - that this is his last big run, and then he gives himself a proper break. This was a run that was almost never possible. They probably want to make the most of it while they can. You just never know.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUM Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) He was very explicit on the McAfee show the other day about going on for a while yet. He said the below: Spoiler āFor me, I don't want this to ever end. I don't want this dream to end. I don't want to wake up, so I do everything I have to do to maintain this position. It's a lot of work. I'm very private about my me time and family time. You don't get that backstage look at everything I'm doing. Know that I'm constantly working. I'm obsessed with continuing to progress. I know there is another level and there is more that I can do. I don't like to get satisfied or comfortable with the current level that I'm on. Yeah, I'm just scratching the surface. I'm still experimenting and figuring stuff out. I'm 38 years young. I'm a young man and have so much stuff to do. If we were able to do this in four years, imagine what we can conquer in another decade. The work has been put in. The skin still looks good. I don't see it stopping anytime. We're about to set more records WrestleMania weekend with the main events. We're chasing landmarks and different history marks with the title reign. There is so much history left to make. I don't see it ever ending." Granted he was in character for much of the interview but it doesnāt sound like a man who plans on cutting it much more anytime soon. He already has a relatively limited schedule. Edited March 25 by FUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted March 25 Paid Members Share Posted March 25 Saw clips from after Smackdown went off the air, with Cody giving away his shoes. If that man isnāt a babyface then I donāt know what is. Heās the fucking messiah. I hope Roman sticks around. It took him so long to find a character that actually clicked with the audience, Iād like him to go long enough that we forget the blue contact lenses and dreadful Wrestlemania main events where the production crew had to turn the crowd volume down. The dark days. The idea of continuing the Bloodline saga though? Fuck that. Itās already about six months to a year past its sell by date. nWo territory. Weāve already had the Bloodline Wolfpack vs. Bloodline Hollywood.Ā Give it a natural, satisfying conclusion already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane O' Mac Version 2 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, air_raid said: Forgive me if Iām repeating myself but I wonder how much longer Roman really wants to go on. The length of his title(s) run has been very much āWell, we said weād make you top dog. We know we made you wait too long and jerked you around on the way first time roundā¦ and second timeā¦. and third time. Well - here it is, youāre the guy.āĀ Wait, what? How on Earth did WWE jerk him around? He's been earmarked as THE GUY from day dot. He's always been main event/top of the card, usually with some title in tow. Only times he hasn't been the top champ really is when Brock had the belt, and really Roman was still The Guy back then because he was actually the one on TV every week. All I can think of is Seth cashing in at Mania 31. And that only happened because the fans were rejecting Roman, I wouldn't call that WWE jerking him around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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