The Smackers Thread

[The King of Old School]

I used to love a good 2 out of 3 falls match, now I never want to see one again.

 

[DavidB6937]

Yeah I'm pretty much done with multiple fall matches, or matches one after the other with the same people in. As with anything in WWE, they love to kill something off by overdoing it.

[Jazzy G]

They should only use it in world title matches. I guess they've seen the positive reviews the last have done on NXT and have decided that it'll automatically get a good reception from the crowd. Although if they're only ever going to be 7 minutes long so as not to go through commercial breaks it's going to be bad news. 

[HarmonicGenerator]

In honour of the fact one of these 2/3 matches was Kofi vs. Ziggler, I went back and found my post from 'A Summerslam match a day' where I counted up all the times they'd faced each other (TV and PPV only, not including battle royals or Royal Rumbles). 

As of August 2015, they had had 53 matches against each other. Dolph led the series 24-22, with 6 matches where neither man won (MITB, Chamber matches etc), and one No Contest.

Because this historic rivalry has been renewed, I owed it to myself and all of you to update these statistics.

As of right now, Kofi Kingston and Dolph Ziggler have faced off against each other... 

... amazingly, only 61 times, of which 27 matches were one-on-one.

They went from January 2016 until this very month without wrestling a televised match against each other which is quite remarkable. 

Currently, their rivalry is a dead heat, with both men at 27 wins each (talk about 50/50 booking), with the remaining being the 6 where neither won and the 1 No Contest.

I think we need an ultimate decider. "One more match ... one more match" ///

 

 

DOLPH ZIGGLER VS. KOFI KINGSTON: THE COMPLETE SAGA: 2

(according to Online World Of Wrestling)

 

1. October 2, 2009 – A Decade of SmackDown: Mike “The Miz” Mizanin and Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston and John Morrison.

2. November 23, 2009 – RAW: Kofi Kingston (RAW) defeated Dolph Ziggler (SmackDown) in a Breakthrough Battle Royal Qualifier

3. March 26, 2010 – WWE SmackDown: SmackDown w/ Dolph defeated RAW w/ Kofi in a Money in the Bank Preview 10-Man Tag Team Match

4. March 28, 2010 – WrestleMania 26: Jack Swagger won the 10-Man Money in the Bank Ladder match to earn a title shot any time

5. May 7, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in an Intercontinental Title Tournament Semi-Final Match.

6. June 25, 2010 – SmackDown: Christian and MVP and Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler and Vance Archer and Curt Hawkins.

7. July 2, 2010 – SmackDown: WWE Intercontinental champion Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero.

8. July 18, 2010 – Money in the Bank: Kane won the SD! Money in the Bank Ladder match to earn a World Heavyweight title match.

9. July 23, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Kofi Kingston in a Non-title match

10. July 30, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Kofi Kingston by disqualification

11. August 6, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero defeated Kofi Kingston to win the WWE Intercontinental title

12. August 15, 2010 – SummerSlam: WWE Intercontinental champion Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero vs. Kofi Kingston ended in a No Contest

13. August 20, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler by disqualification when Vickie Guerrero pushed Kofi off the top rope

14. August 27, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero by countout

15. September 10, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston and Chris Masters defeated Dolph Ziggler and Chavo Guerrero (w/Vickie and Kaitlyn)

16. September 19, 2010 – Night of Champions: Dolph Ziggler (w/Vickie Guerrero and Kaitlyn) defeated Kori Kingston to retain the WWE Intercontinental title

17. December 13, 2010 – The Slammy Awards: Kofi Kingston and Daniel Bryan defeated Dolph Ziggler (w/Vickie) and Ted DiBiase (w/Maryse)

18. December 10, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Dolph Ziggler by disqualification after interference by Jack Swagger

19. December 17, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston and Kaval defeated Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero

20. December 18, 2010 – WWE Tribute to the Troops: Kofi Kingston and The Big Show defeated Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler

21. December 19, 2010 – TLC PPV: Dolph Ziggler beat Kofi Kingston and Jack Swagger in a 3-WAY Ladder Match to retain the WWE Intercontinental title

22. December 31, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero beat Kofi Kingston and Jack Swagger in a 3-WAY to retain the Intercontinental title

23. January 7, 2011 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero to win the WWE Intercontinental title

24. Vickie Guerrero booked an immediate rematch; Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler to retain the WWE Intercontinental title

25. May 30, 2011 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated U.S. Champion Kofi Kingston in a non-title match

26. June 13, 2011 – RAW: U.S. Champion Kofi Kingston and Evan Bourne defeated Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger

27. June 19, 2011 – WWE Capitol Punishment: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston by submission to win the United States title

28. June 20, 2011 – RAW: Kofi Kingston defeated WWE United States champion Dolph Ziggler by disqualification in a 2/3 Falls Match

29. June 27, 2011 – RAW: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in a Non-title Players Choice Match with Vickie banned

30. October 3, 2011 – RAW: John Cena, CM Punk, Sheamus, Kofi Kingston, Mason Ryan and Evan Bourne defeated Alberto Del Rio, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, Cody Rhodes, Christian and David Otunga.

31. October 7, 2011 – SmackDown: U.S. Champion Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger defeated WWE Tag Team Champions Kofi Kingston and Evan Bourne in a non-title match

32. October 10, 2011 – RAW: Kofi Kingston, Evan Bourne and Mason Ryan defeated David Otunga, Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger

33. October 14, 2011 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston and Zack Ryder defeated U.S. Champion Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger

34. February 6, 2012 – RAW: Chris Jericho defeated WWE Champion CM Punk, Dolph Ziggler, The Miz, R-Truth and Kofi Kingston in a 6 pack non-title match

35. February 19, 2012 – Elimination Chamber: WWE Champion CM Punk defeated Dolph Ziggler, Chris Jericho, The Miz, R-Truth, Kofi Kingston in the elimination chamber match to retain the title.

36. February 21, 2012 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger defeated Kofi Kingston and R-Truth

37. February 27, 2012 – RAW: WWE Tag Team Champions Epico and Primo Colon defeated Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger and Kofi Kingston and R-Truth in a 3-way tag team match to retain the titles

38. March 19, 2012 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger defeated R-Truth and Kofi Kingston

39. April 1, 2012 – Wrestlemania 28: Team Johnny (Mark Henry, David Otunga, Dolph Ziggler, Christian, The Miz, and Jack Swagger) defeated Team Teddy (Santino Marella, Kofi Kingston, R-Tuth, Zack Ryder, Great Khali, and Booker T) to give John Laurinaitis full control of WWE television

40. May 7, 2012 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.

41. May 14, 2012 – RAW: WWE Tag Team Champions R-Truth and Kofi Kingston and Brodus Clay defeated The Miz, Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger

42. May 20, 2012 – Over The Limit: WWE Tag Team Champions Kofi Kingston and R-Truth defeated Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger to retain the titles

43. May 28, 2012 – RAW: WTC Kofi Kingston and R-Truth defeated Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler to retain

44. September 24, 2012 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston by pin fall. Before the match both R-Truth and Vickie Guerrero were sent to the back

45. November 12, 2012 – RAW: Alberto Del Rio and Dolph Ziggler defeated I.C. Champion Kofi Kingston and Randy Orton

46. November 18, 2012 – Survivor Series: Alberto Del Rio, Damien Sandow, David Otunga, Dolph Ziggler, and Wade Barrett defeated Kane, Daniel Bryan, Kofi Kingston, The Miz, and Randy Orton in the traditional Survivor Series match. Dolph Ziggler was the sole survivor.

47. February 17, 2013 – Elimination Chamber: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston

48. March 18, 2013 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.

49. March 22, 2013 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston

50. April 29, 2013 – RAW: WWE world heavyweight champion Dolph Ziggler defeated WWE United States champion Kofi Kingston in a non-title match

51. June 29, 2014 – Money in the Bank: Seth Rollins defeated Dean Ambrose, Jack Swagger, Rob Van Dam, Kofi Kingston, and Dolph Ziggler in a “Money in the Bank” ladder match to win the championship contract

52. June 1, 2015 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.

53. June 14, 2015 – Money in the Bank: Sheamus defeated Roman Reigns, Randy Orton, Neville, Kane, Dolph Ziggler, and Kofi Kingston in a “Money in a Bank” ladder match

54. September 21, 2015 – RAW: WWE tag team champions the New Day and Rusev defeated Dolph Ziggler and the Dudley Boyz in a 6-man tag team match

55. January 7, 2016 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler, Neville, Goldust, and R-Truth defeated The Miz and the WWE tag team champions the New Day in an 8-man tag team match

56. January 21, 2016 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler and the Usos defeated WWE tag team champions the New Day in a 6-man tag team match

57. January 28, 2016 – SmackDown: The Usos, Dolph Ziggler, and Titus O’Neil defeated WWE tag team champions the New Day and the Miz in an 8-man tag team match

58. June 7, 2019 – WWE Super ShowDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler to retain the WWE title

59. June 11, 2019 – SmackDown Live: The New Day defeated Dolph Ziggler, Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn

60. June 23, 2019 - WWE Stomping Grounds: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in a Steel Cage match to retain the WWE title

61. June 25, 2019 - SmackDown Live: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in a Two Out Of Three Falls match to retain the WWE title

 

 

Edited June 26, 2019 by HarmonicGenerator
Extra stat to clarify singles matches

[tiger_rick]

Is that 61 TELEVISED matches? Fucking hell. Well, just hell.

[HarmonicGenerator]

17 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

Is that 61 TELEVISED matches? Fucking hell. Well, just hell.

Correct. That's TV and PPV matches only, not including battle royals or Royal Rumbles. If live events were included it'd surely be into 3 figures. Possibly 4!

Edited June 26, 2019 by HarmonicGenerator

[The King of Old School]

Nothing illustrates this era of WWE better than Kofi & Ziggler having 27 wins each about of 61 matches. Bloody hell.

[Factotum]

Ziggler is the most irrelevant wrestler there's ever been. Absolutely unmemorable in every way. A footnote of shit

[Ironic Indie Lad]

Those Ziggler/Kofi stats are unbearably depressing. A decade of matches I cannot fathom anyone having any fond memories of.

I am sure this brought back many a lapsed fan though. Hey guys, remember these mid carders from when the product was shit? Well now they are the main eventers and the product is REALLY shit! Tune in!

[HarmonicGenerator]

If it helps, they've only had 27 televised singles matches against each other.

[Statto]

Guess we can add "reset" and "fall opportunity" to the WWE Commentary Buzzwords lexicon.

[Frankie Crisp]

On 6/26/2019 at 1:14 PM, HarmonicGenerator said:

If it helps, they've only had 27 televised singles matches against each other.

Edited June 28, 2019 by Frankie Crisp

[Mr Butternut Squash]

Pretty middle of the road show but nothing bad. 

So that was a Kevin Owens babyface turn right? I hope so because there's infinitely more life to Owens as a face at this point. Lovable, funny, big teddy bear KO is my jam. His lines tonight were brilliant and made Ziggler look like a right mug which is how it should be. Hopefully this was their way of writing off Dolph.

Drew feels like he's done. Boggles my mind that he's been back for a year and his act still has zero agency, he's not once got past being just 'the other guy'.  Maybe they can salvage him if he wipes out Taker. Or better yet have him turn and send Shane to his grave. Christ Shane, mate, fuck off. 

The Joe/Kofi stand off was class. Joe was Joe and Kingston is delivering the goods in his spot. I wish Joe felt more legit though. Don't buy the "he can get his heat back on promos" argument, the guys clearly a few steps down from where he was even a few months ago. Kofi laying him out here doesn't really put any more oomph into the match either. As good as Kofi's reign has been it would be nice to see him feud with a top level guy.

They still struggle to with getting poor Bayley right as a popular babyface. They should give all the women's titles to Nikki Cross. Easily the bright spot of the women's division at the moment, she's awesome. Great in-ring charisma.

Same with Otis. You knew this guy would be a star on the main roster as soon as you saw him.  Loved his apron work in the tag match and all his verbal ticks ("Tucky!", "OH YEAAH"). Tucker ain't half bad either and it's cool they're getting over. It's good to see they're making use of some of these NXT call ups finally.

What's going on with Aleister Black though? I swear somebody knocked on his door last week, FFS.

Lot of the big stars missing this week. Still no signs of Balor, Buddy, Ali, motherfucking ASUKA. . .etc. Wasn't too long ago that Rusev and Nakumara were the most over acts in wrestling, now where the fuck my boys at?

[The King of Old School]

Samoa Joe is one of the biggest chumps in the company. He never wins.

Which means he is definitely becoming WWE champ before the summer is out.

[DJM]

2 hours ago, Mr Butternut Squash said:

As good as Kofi's reign has been it would be nice to see him feud with a top level guy.

Who are the top level guys on Smackdown (or in WWE) at the moment that Kofi should be feuding with?

 

2 hours ago, Mr Butternut Squash said:

Lot of the big stars missing this week. Still no signs of Balor, Buddy, Ali, motherfucking ASUKA. . .etc. Wasn't too long ago that Rusev and Nakumara were the most over acts in wrestling, now where the fuck my boys at?

I'm pretty sure Balor vs. Nakamura was hinted at last week in a backstage promo (possibly for Extreme Rules).