Awards Moderator HarmonicGenerator Posted January 7, 2022 Awards Moderator Share Posted January 7, 2022 Just now, Mr.Showtime said: Did that really happen? I can't recall that at all! Moving NXT to 2 hours did it for me. I was happily watching it every week before that. There was an episode that was just Samoa Joe vs. Sami Zayn - that might be the one jazzy's thinking of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted January 7, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted January 7, 2022 Was Naka Vs Zayn at a Takeover? Could be where I made the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsfromlee Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, jazzygeofferz said: Was Naka Vs Zayn at a Takeover? Could be where I made the confusion. Yeah, it was Nakamuras debut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted January 7, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted January 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, jazzygeofferz said: Was Naka Vs Zayn at a Takeover? Could be where I made the confusion. That you don’t recall watching that match and that Takeover, where you watched it and who you watched it with, wounds me deeply. You watched War Games 92 the same day…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted January 7, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted January 7, 2022 I remember watching it with you ahead of that Mania 30. I also remember us sneaking War Games 92 on, I just thought it was an episode of NXT rather than a Takeover, possibly because we only watched that match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted January 7, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted January 7, 2022 Thinking more about this, I might agree with Vince a bit here. As great as some of these people are, it's weird that a developmental with millions behind it and some of the best minds in the business involved hasn't actually produced that many top stars for the past 5 years. I imagine the reasons are more structural than due to specific people but I can see why they would want to wipe the slate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted January 7, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted January 7, 2022 NXT was a failure at what it was supposed to do. The whole point of a WWE developmental system was that it was to take wrestlers off the independent circuit and train them into performing in a more mainstream style and environment. What HHH did was take wrestlers off the independent circuit and have them wrestle in exactly the same style, doing the same interminable length matches and spots they could have been doing in ROH and PWG and so on. It was ultimately completely pointless. I'm sure the Sami Zayn vs Kevin Owens matches were great - but they'd already done them before. It did absolutely nothing with almost everyone it signed. What about Nakamura? His style and image didn't change at all between Japan and Smackdown and people wonder why he hasn't amounted to much. So then this lot get thrown on TV and people wonder why they're struggling to get audiences interested in them. Because NXT had failed to prepare them for that environment. That fault has to fall on HHH's shoulders. The new NXT is, at least, closer in style and presentation to their main shows and will be a better preparation for anyone that's called up to Raw or Smackdown. For the WWE product, whether you like it or not, it is absolutely the right move. The barricade slappers have got AEW now as well as the ton of indies out there where HHH's NXT 'style' is the norm. I don't understand what the problem is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 5 hours ago, air_raid said: They’ll probably replace the fish supper with bacon as a cost cutting measure shortly. No thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: So then this lot get thrown on TV and people wonder why they're struggling to get audiences interested in them. That's literally what happened with a lot of the call ups though. They got "thrown on TV" with no hype. No build up. No introductions. Just a "well our audience must known who they are from NXT" and thrown out there like a "big deal" without any reason why. And sure, maybe you could argue that they shouldn't need that to succeed if they're really that good, but why give them a handicap before they even start on the main roster? Why not inform your RAW/Smackdown audience/s who these people are? What have they done before? Why are they the next big things? They hardly ever did it. I don't think that every indie star needed to come in and be rebranded and remoulded and completely changed. Sure, you can take a flippy guy like AJ Styles out of TNA and give him experience worldwide and turn him into a much better well rounded guy and then he evolves a little more to WWE style once he gets there. That to me is a perfect evolution and a great example of ironing out the unnecessary risks and focusing on the best parts. Although to be fair most of that did happen before WWE. but you get my point. No one needed to reinvent the wheel. Vince just needed to put a little support behind them. He's fucked around with too many of the call ups and either not bothered to use them or used them in terrible ways and not realised what made them so successful in the first place. There's a happy middle ground where Vince still gets to tweak a few bits but all too often he's far too stubborn and doesn't want people to succeed as they have before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted January 7, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted January 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, DavidB6937 said: That's literally what happened with a lot of the call ups though. They got "thrown on TV" with no hype. No build up. No introductions. Just a "well our audience must known who they are from NXT" and thrown out there like a "big deal" without any reason why. I didn't say that wasn't an issue though? I'm saying that NXT didn't do its part in preparing performers. And it didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsfromlee Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 When Triple H took over NXT is when the show went from being developmental to becoming “the third brand”. Developmental then became the Performance Centre and the NXT live house show circuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted January 7, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted January 7, 2022 None of the call ups from NXT looked green on TV. They were more then TV ready. The fact the bookers and writers had nothing for them or they were generally booked badly is what killed the majority of them, not that they wernt prepared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RancidPunx Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 How is HHH’s health actually ? Has he been pictured recently ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, RancidPunx said: How is HHH’s health actually ? Has he been pictured recently ? He was recently on video looking around the new offices, seemed to be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members seph Posted January 7, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted January 7, 2022 55 minutes ago, Devon Malcolm said: I didn't say that wasn't an issue though? I'm saying that NXT didn't do its part in preparing performers. And it didn't. In the eyes of people like Gargano the main brand did all the preparation that was necessary. 4 minutes ago, RancidPunx said: How is HHH’s health actually ? Has he been pictured recently ? There was video a few weeks back on Twitter where the main suits wandered around a building site [new WWE Towers?] with helmets way too small for just about everyone - almost Kurt Angle cowboy hat proportions. Trips looked like he'd lost a fair amount of weight and didn't look too thrilled to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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