Paid Members air_raid Posted January 3 Paid Members Share Posted January 3 Plus he willingly called it âXâ. Definitely needs investigating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, air_raid said: Plus he willingly called it âXâ. Definitely needs investigating. Exactly. Everybody knows it's 'X - formerly known as Twitter'. Sheesh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 8 hours ago, Nick James said: Hausman is a scumbag, but that doesn't negate from what the allegations are and they seem to be getting very lost in the shuffle with most of the anger directed directly at Hausman. Well, from a certain section it is should I say. Hausman handled the situation like an absolute plonker, using SA/SH allegations as a 'gotcha' in an online arguement is scummy behaviour. However, he never named Kylie Rae, that was a different account to which Kylie responded to. This is definitely fair. But I think itâs possible and right that everyone involved gets scrutinised and criticised to some degree. Hausman is getting anger directed towards him - but generally not for the right reason; it mostly seems to be from Jericho defenders. Jericho is getting anger directed at him, and at this point, it seems clear that there is an NDA in place. What isnât clear is why, though - it may be fair, it may be disproportionate, it may be proportionate. Hopefully a proper journalist will be looking into the situation now to outline any allegations in a responsible and accurate way. The one person, on reflection, who I donât feel has had enough scrutiny is Khan. He said he felt AEW was the âsafest everâ wrestling workplace. OK, but how does that tie in with hiring the likes of Ric Flair and Jay Lethal? What due diligence was done there? How do you ensure a workplace remains âsafeâ when thereâs an imbalance between the value you place on male and female wrestlers? Presumably you canât if thereâs an NDA in place. Thereâs probably a wider issue that needs examined here extending beyond AEW and into other organisations, and I really hope a reporter out there is doing just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 minutes ago, RedRooster said: The one person, on reflection, who I donât feel has had enough scrutiny is Khan. He said he felt AEW was the âsafest everâ wrestling workplace. OK, but how does that tie in with hiring the likes of Ric Flair and Jay Lethal? What due diligence was done there? How do you ensure a workplace remains âsafeâ when thereâs an imbalance between the value you place on male and female wrestlers? Presumably you canât if thereâs an NDA in place. I did find that a bit weird. I mean I know he's not going to come out and be like "yeah we're shit!" but there's been more drama associated with AEW than anywhere else in recent times, so he shouldn't be getting too cocky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Danger Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I love the idea of due diligence being done on Flair. âHey boss, weâve had the references come back on Ric, seems we might want to look at a few thingsâŚ.â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I do find the fact WBD felt strongly enough to intervene in the case of Jay Briscoe but not Lethal or Flair all kinds of baffling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Coconut Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 The safest ever wrestling workplace is like the safest ever Chinese mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted January 3 Paid Members Share Posted January 3 I almost donât want to speculate on something like this given the subject matter, but reading whatâs been, âreported,â (I use that term very loosely) and whatâs been half-confirmed by Kylie herself? It sure sounds like something happened between Kylie and Jericho, with Tony Khan doing a Tony Khan, completely bottling it. Even three or four years into the company being a success, Tony has still proven himself to be a coward, completely in-over-his-head, terrified of having difficult conversations with anyone he used to watch on TV. The idea of a complaint being raised against his top star, in the infancy of the company, when a lot was riding on Jerichoâs back? Wouldnât shock me at all if Tony panicked, canned Kylie and tried to clean it all up with an NDA. Itâd be very on brand with what weâve learned of him in the years that followed. Itâs half why I think he tried to talk around the issue at the press conference. Whatâs he going to say? Heâs investigating himself for being spineless mark when it comes to his favourite superstars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, Supremo said: Itâs half why I think he tried to talk around the issue at the press conference. Whatâs he going to say? Heâs investigating himself for being spineless mark when it comes to his favourite superstars? That's definitely what sticks out to me. I feel like he could've nipped it in the bud and literally came out and said "there's never been an investigation" or whatever. Why wouldn't you if that was the case? It was an opportunity to shut down any rumour or speculation and realistically he could've done that if that was the truth, no? I can't think of any reason why he wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted January 3 Paid Members Share Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, Supremo said: I almost donât want to speculate on something like this given the subject matter, but reading whatâs been, âreported,â (I use that term very loosely) and whatâs been half-confirmed by Kylie herself? It sure sounds like something happened between Kylie and Jericho, with Tony Khan doing a Tony Khan, completely bottling it.  That is the line reading so far. However, I don't think it is that. She's been on the record numerous times to say that she enjoyed her time there but was struggling with her own issues (which also derailed her time in Impact and her brief retirement when she went into rehab). There were also rumors at the time there was an issue between her and Brandi which is why she asked for her release. Now, I know if there was any NDA in place she couldn't talk about it obviously, but if there were real issues at play, I am sure she would have not been so positive. But I fully believe Jericho has NDA's out, and there are tweets of DM's from Jericho where he was caught kissing another woman and them trying to stop it getting out. I have no idea who it was, if she was even in wrestling, but its a pretty well known Jericho is in an open marriage (and if you look at his wifes twitter, I understand why). I am starting to think that Kylie Rae's heart reaction was because of knowledge of Jericho being a knob, but not necessarily that it involved her directly. Either way, unless she wants to be involved (or can, as we don't know for sure), she shouldn't be brought up, its not fair on her.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Land Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 minutes ago, DavidB6937 said: That's definitely what sticks out to me. I feel like he could've nipped it in the bud and literally came out and said "there's never been an investigation" or whatever. Why wouldn't you if that was the case? Next question: Is there going to be an investigation now? What were the reasons given for her departure at the time? It doesn't nip it in the bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted January 3 Paid Members Share Posted January 3 Just had a further thought. What if the situation which the internet has put together involving an Jericho, Rae and an NDA is true, but the NDA was done independent of AEW and her asking for her release was due to it? It would explain why Tony Khan is acting like what NDA, but would still then need to be investigated. Is that even a posibility?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, Infinity Land said: Next question: Is there going to be an investigation now? What were the reasons given for her departure at the time? It doesn't nip it in the bud. But to go with "I can't speak to that" or whatever his utter vagueness was.. that was so wishy washy and a nothing answer, other than suggesting AEW is safe or whatever. If nothing ever happened with Jericho and there was never any NEED for anything to happen with Jericho and all of this was literally just unsubstantiated rumour then he could've point blank stated that it wasn't a thing, couldn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 23 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said: That is the line reading so far. However, I don't think it is that. She's been on the record numerous times to say that she enjoyed her time there but was struggling with her own issues (which also derailed her time in Impact and her brief retirement when she went into rehab). There were also rumors at the time there was an issue between her and Brandi which is why she asked for her release. Now, I know if there was any NDA in place she couldn't talk about it obviously, but if there were real issues at play, I am sure she would have not been so positive. Firstly - and I know youâre not intending to do this - I donât think itâs helpful to bring up any âissuesâ she may or may not have had. That kind of approach is used so often to discredit assault and harassment victims. I know thatâs not your intent, but I donât think itâs relevant. The reason for her leaving may not be relevant either. It may have been due to Jericho, it may have been a collection of things, it may have been one specific reason unrelated to Jericho. It may have been her âissuesâ, but again, it doesnât matter. As for Brandi, maybe thatâs a false leak to disguise the true reason for her departure, maybe itâs true - again though, itâs not necessarily relevant. Whatâs relevant is what actually happened. Whether or not that led to her departure doesnât necessarily matter; if a high earning, senior talent did something wrong and managementâs solution was to hush it up, thatâs a bad thing regardless of the outcome - even if it had absolutely no effect on the woman in question outside of disgust and embarrassment - it suggests that a culture exists that could allow this, or much worse, to happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I wish it was like Columbo where you see how it all happened and then just watch back and enjoy them fucking it up for the reveal but instead we're stuck in this loop of speculation where absolutely nobody knows what happened and who is at fault at all, probably never will. The people who should be doing something are spineless, some people might not be able to say anything at all, some people said things with the wrong intention to look like a clout chasing big dog and the other has to keep one on his wife's retweets. But I'm certain the blame lays with Charles Montgomery Punk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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