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24 minutes ago, The Dart said:

They should just have some random guy who works backstage win it and then we never see him again and he is just champion forever.   And then if they want to revive the title in the future they can just have him show up again in 5 years.

God I miss WCW.

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52 minutes ago, LaGoosh said:

I'm not even sure what the Rollins/Mysterio angle is, what's the point of it or where it's going. It's a really weird and bad story.

I think basically it's all a set up for Rollins to watch his mate knob Mysterio's daughter

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Due to the Draft, they were only on the same brand for a single night, but they still found a way to continue the series - Kofi and Dolph square off for the first time since there were crowds in the arenas ... edited post of the full thing below (with the new Quote function handily not creating a wall of text):

On 2/22/2020 at 8:22 AM, HarmonicGenerator said:

It happened again...

 

DOLPH ZIGGLER VS. KOFI KINGSTON: THE COMPLETE SAGA

(according to Online World Of Wrestling)

 

1. October 2, 2009 – A Decade of SmackDown: Mike “The Miz” Mizanin and Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston and John Morrison.

2. November 23, 2009 – RAW: Kofi Kingston (RAW) defeated Dolph Ziggler (SmackDown) in a Breakthrough Battle Royal Qualifier

3. March 26, 2010 – WWE SmackDown: SmackDown w/ Dolph defeated RAW w/ Kofi in a Money in the Bank Preview 10-Man Tag Team Match

4. March 28, 2010 – WrestleMania 26: Jack Swagger won the 10-Man Money in the Bank Ladder match to earn a title shot any time

5. May 7, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in an Intercontinental Title Tournament Semi-Final Match.

6. June 25, 2010 – SmackDown: Christian and MVP and Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler and Vance Archer and Curt Hawkins.

7. July 2, 2010 – SmackDown: WWE Intercontinental champion Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero.

8. July 18, 2010 – Money in the Bank: Kane won the SD! Money in the Bank Ladder match to earn a World Heavyweight title match.

9. July 23, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Kofi Kingston in a Non-title match

10. July 30, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Kofi Kingston by disqualification

11. August 6, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero defeated Kofi Kingston to win the WWE Intercontinental title

12. August 15, 2010 – SummerSlam: WWE Intercontinental champion Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero vs. Kofi Kingston ended in a No Contest

13. August 20, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler by disqualification when Vickie Guerrero pushed Kofi off the top rope

14. August 27, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero by countout

15. September 10, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston and Chris Masters defeated Dolph Ziggler and Chavo Guerrero (w/Vickie and Kaitlyn)

16. September 19, 2010 – Night of Champions: Dolph Ziggler (w/Vickie Guerrero and Kaitlyn) defeated Kori Kingston to retain the WWE Intercontinental title

17. December 13, 2010 – The Slammy Awards: Kofi Kingston and Daniel Bryan defeated Dolph Ziggler (w/Vickie) and Ted DiBiase (w/Maryse)

18. December 10, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Dolph Ziggler by disqualification after interference by Jack Swagger

19. December 17, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston and Kaval defeated Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero

20. December 18, 2010 – WWE Tribute to the Troops: Kofi Kingston and The Big Show defeated Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler

21. December 19, 2010 – TLC PPV: Dolph Ziggler beat Kofi Kingston and Jack Swagger in a 3-WAY Ladder Match to retain the WWE Intercontinental title

22. December 31, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero beat Kofi Kingston and Jack Swagger in a 3-WAY to retain the Intercontinental title

23. January 7, 2011 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero to win the WWE Intercontinental title

24. Vickie Guerrero booked an immediate rematch; Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler to retain the WWE Intercontinental title

25. May 30, 2011 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated U.S. Champion Kofi Kingston in a non-title match

26. June 13, 2011 – RAW: U.S. Champion Kofi Kingston and Evan Bourne defeated Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger

27. June 19, 2011 – WWE Capitol Punishment: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston by submission to win the United States title

28. June 20, 2011 – RAW: Kofi Kingston defeated WWE United States champion Dolph Ziggler by disqualification in a 2/3 Falls Match

29. June 27, 2011 – RAW: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in a Non-title Players Choice Match with Vickie banned

30. October 3, 2011 – RAW: John Cena, CM Punk, Sheamus, Kofi Kingston, Mason Ryan and Evan Bourne defeated Alberto Del Rio, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, Cody Rhodes, Christian and David Otunga.

31. October 7, 2011 – SmackDown: U.S. Champion Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger defeated WWE Tag Team Champions Kofi Kingston and Evan Bourne in a non-title match

32. October 10, 2011 – RAW: Kofi Kingston, Evan Bourne and Mason Ryan defeated David Otunga, Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger

33. October 14, 2011 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston and Zack Ryder defeated U.S. Champion Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger

34. February 6, 2012 – RAW: Chris Jericho defeated WWE Champion CM Punk, Dolph Ziggler, The Miz, R-Truth and Kofi Kingston in a 6 pack non-title match

35. February 19, 2012 – Elimination Chamber: WWE Champion CM Punk defeated Dolph Ziggler, Chris Jericho, The Miz, R-Truth, Kofi Kingston in the elimination chamber match to retain the title.

36. February 21, 2012 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger defeated Kofi Kingston and R-Truth

37. February 27, 2012 – RAW: WWE Tag Team Champions Epico and Primo Colon defeated Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger and Kofi Kingston and R-Truth in a 3-way tag team match to retain the titles

38. March 19, 2012 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger defeated R-Truth and Kofi Kingston

39. April 1, 2012 – Wrestlemania 28: Team Johnny (Mark Henry, David Otunga, Dolph Ziggler, Christian, The Miz, and Jack Swagger) defeated Team Teddy (Santino Marella, Kofi Kingston, R-Tuth, Zack Ryder, Great Khali, and Booker T) to give John Laurinaitis full control of WWE television

40. May 7, 2012 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.

41. May 14, 2012 – RAW: WWE Tag Team Champions R-Truth and Kofi Kingston and Brodus Clay defeated The Miz, Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger

42. May 20, 2012 – Over The Limit: WWE Tag Team Champions Kofi Kingston and R-Truth defeated Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger to retain the titles

43. May 28, 2012 – RAW: WTC Kofi Kingston and R-Truth defeated Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler to retain

44. September 24, 2012 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston by pin fall. Before the match both R-Truth and Vickie Guerrero were sent to the back

45. September 27, 2012 - Superstars: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.

46. November 12, 2012 – RAW: Alberto Del Rio and Dolph Ziggler defeated I.C. Champion Kofi Kingston and Randy Orton

47. November 18, 2012 – Survivor Series: Alberto Del Rio, Damien Sandow, David Otunga, Dolph Ziggler, and Wade Barrett defeated Kane, Daniel Bryan, Kofi Kingston, The Miz, and Randy Orton in the traditional Survivor Series match. Dolph Ziggler was the sole survivor.

48. February 17, 2013 – Elimination Chamber: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston

49. March 18, 2013 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.

50. March 22, 2013 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston

51. April 29, 2013 – RAW: WWE world heavyweight champion Dolph Ziggler defeated WWE United States champion Kofi Kingston in a non-title match

52. June 29, 2014 – Money in the Bank: Seth Rollins defeated Dean Ambrose, Jack Swagger, Rob Van Dam, Kofi Kingston, and Dolph Ziggler in a “Money in the Bank” ladder match to win the championship contract

53. June 1, 2015 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.

54. June 14, 2015 – Money in the Bank: Sheamus defeated Roman Reigns, Randy Orton, Neville, Kane, Dolph Ziggler, and Kofi Kingston in a “Money in a Bank” ladder match

55. September 21, 2015 – RAW: WWE tag team champions the New Day and Rusev defeated Dolph Ziggler and the Dudley Boyz in a 6-man tag team match

56. January 7, 2016 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler, Neville, Goldust, and R-Truth defeated The Miz and the WWE tag team champions the New Day in an 8-man tag team match

57. January 21, 2016 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler and the Usos defeated WWE tag team champions the New Day in a 6-man tag team match

58. January 28, 2016 – SmackDown: The Usos, Dolph Ziggler, and Titus O’Neil defeated WWE tag team champions the New Day and the Miz in an 8-man tag team match

59. June 7, 2019 – WWE Super ShowDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler to retain the WWE title

60. June 11, 2019 – SmackDown Live: The New Day defeated Dolph Ziggler, Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn

61. June 23, 2019 - WWE Stomping Grounds: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in a Steel Cage match to retain the WWE title

62. June 25, 2019 - SmackDown Live: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in a Two Out Of Three Falls match to retain the WWE title

63. October 25, 2019 - SmackDown Live: Dolph Ziggler & Robert Roode defeated Kofi Kingston & Big E.

64. December 13, 2019 - SmackDown: Kofi Kingston & Big E defeated Dolph Ziggler & King Corbin by DQ.

65. February 21, 2020 - SmackDown: The Usos & The New Day def. The Miz, John Morrison, Dolph Ziggler & Robert Roode.

66. October 12, 2020 - Raw: Tag team champions The New Day def. Dolph Ziggler & Robert Roode.

 

Kofi and Woods' victory last night puts Kingston ahead in the series, 30-29 with 7 additional non-finishes.

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SmackDown got a near perfect draft, other than being saddled with Rollins. I'll be able to watch Raw in about fifteen minutes now, with the new roster's, and SmackDown remains the show to watch from WWE's three brands. 

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1 hour ago, WeeAl said:

SmackDown got a near perfect draft, other than being saddled with Rollins. I'll be able to watch Raw in about fifteen minutes now, with the new roster's, and SmackDown remains the show to watch from WWE's three brands. 

I'm not so sure I agree. They also have King Corbin, Dolph Ziggler and Robert Roode, Shorty G, Tamina and Carmella. I'm not particularly sure how much enjoyment I'll get out of watching the trainwreck that is Lars Sullivan either. 

For me, the people I don't want to watch are pretty evenly distributed. 

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Just now, RedRooster said:

I'm not so sure I agree. They also have King Corbin, Dolph Ziggler and Robert Roode, Shorty G, Tamina and Carmella. For me, the people I don't want to watch are pretty evenly distributed. 

Those few you mentioned there will just be getting skipped. Admittedly, I made that post before seeing where Corbin had ended up. At least Wyatt, Strowman, Retribution etc are all in the one place. 

Orton has been great this past while, but I also feel he could get saddled very quickly with some right shite again if he's not matched carefully with the Raw incomers.

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A few takeaways

  • Lars Sulivan is just a roided up Matthew Lillard.
  • Ricochet's selling at the end of his match was awesome
  • Raw's draft sucked
  • Why were Retribution in the draft? Surely they are anti all that?
  • Lana vs Asuka will be a MOTY candidate
  • The angle with Bliss and The Fiend, as of right now, sucks.
  • Is Raw Underground cancelled now?
  • Why bring Elias back as a heel as he just started getting over as a face
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Elias is a difficult character without the crowds to play off. Both as a face and a heel. I must admit I'd forgotten he was even a face before he got injured.

Retribution being in the draft makes sense as they were signed to contracts. Now whether that made sense or not is a whole other thing.

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Maybe the execs of USA like the "chaos and unpredictablity" that Retribution bring to the show, in a kayfabe ratings kinda way? If they didn't get drafted then fans would moan for lack of creative or something.

Raw seems stacked compared to SD, I could see guys like Riddle and Lee getting lost in the shuffle on Raw with Hardy, AJ, Hurt Buisness, Elias plus more lurking in the mid.

Either should've been getting built up for a Reigns feud, after Jey deal is down there's not a lot for the Chief to work with other than Owens and E 

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The Lana thing is the most WWE thing ever. Keep smashing her through tables because Miro slagged them off, then when people correctly point out how childish and petty this is immediately start giving her a big push to pretend otherwise.  Hilarious. Like a company ran by ten year olds.

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