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I really enjoyed this week's show. Having bodies in the 'crowd' really adds to the show, and it was definitely lacking last week.


Kenny and Trent just wanted to do something great, and whilst they did, it highlighted Trent more than Omega.


Shida getting a win was great, hopefully she's the one to take the title off Rose.
Great video for Hager/Moxley, but as mentioned above, it's a bit stupid to advertise an empty arena match right now...
Jake's promo was another winner...
Lance Archer's debut would have been so much bigger in front of an audience, but we wouldn't have got the throw into the crowd, which I loved. It went a bit long though, imo. The chokeslam was monstrous.
Brodie Lee is already coming across far too tame. Perhaps that's because of my expectations, but it's just...not working. I'm happy to stick with it because I do believe AEW have long term plans, but for now, it's mostly skippable. I did enjoy the Dark Order gimps being named 8 & 9 though. 
Jericho is the best. Such silliness, made great by Jericho. No other could do it like he does.
I was intrigued by the Bucks little video. Nick saying he needs more time was interesting, and I'm curious as to how this will affect Hardy and Blood & Guts. If B&G is delayed, Nick returns, there's no need for Hardy in the match. Maybe that means they'll finish his thing with Jericho and do something interesting with him. Maybe just keep him going until Jeff is out of contract?
The main event tag was decent. Cody always puts in a shift, but Darby is the star here. Guevara too. It's a shame one of them has to win in the QF match, and we don't get a higher stakes match with them later in the tournament. Good match, nice to see Spears put a win up, even if he wasn't involved in the decision. Hopefully the Sammy/Brandi mini-story doesn't turn into anything bigger.

 



I really liked the smaller setting. When they get their second show running, I'd like it to be in a similar way, kinda studio wrestling, but on tour. Smaller venues, the smaller version of the stage/set, and like, 1000 or so fans packed around 3 sides of the ring. I think it worked wonderfully.

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I agree with Puma Prints, I'm surprised that I'm not more engrossed with Brodie Lee.

Whenever he got an opportunity to do a promo, his WWE wild crazy man gimmick was great. The suit gimmick is almost making him more generic. Plus I don't feel he is walking the line of subtlety well enough to be frank. He might as well be shouting "IM VINCE MCMAHON DAMMIT" at times. Id rather he was inspired by Vince's alledged behaviour as oppose to outright mimicking him.

Still excited what comes from him mind. I love his in ring work and want to see him succeed.

 

Edit: Another issue that irks me, or maybe Im being paticular, is that originally the Dark Order gimmick was about giving acceptance to those who were vulnerable, which is something cults generally do. But now it's turned on it's head; with Lee outright abusing him underlings. I don't "get" why people are staying with the Dark Order. There's no reason consequence to leaving, unlike in a cult where you risk losing everything you've emotionally attached to.  

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13 hours ago, andrew "the ref" coyne said:

Edit: Another issue that irks me, or maybe Im being paticular, is that originally the Dark Order gimmick was about giving acceptance to those who were vulnerable, which is something cults generally do. But now it's turned on it's head; with Lee outright abusing him underlings. I don't "get" why people are staying with the Dark Order. There's no reason consequence to leaving, unlike in a cult where you risk losing everything you've emotionally attached to.  

I disagree. The Dark Order have always been abusive to their followers. Uno used to sit on them! It's what Cults do, really, attract vulnerable people, give them somewhere to belong and then exploit and abuse them. Lee, as leader, absolutely should be worse, because nobody is going to dare question "The Exalted One".

They did start a story on Being The Elite where John Silver wasn't into it at all but wanted to support Reynolds, but it seems to have been abandoned. Considering they were complete losers before they joined, I can understand them not being in a hurry to leave. Especially since Lee will kick their heads in.

Anyway, my biggest take away from Dynamite was that some of the high spots were pretty stupid considering that there were no fans. I appreciate that they want to keep the shows going but maybe lay off the dives for a bit?

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28 minutes ago, unfitfinlay said:

Anyway, my biggest take away from Dynamite was that some of the high spots were pretty stupid considering that there were no fans. I appreciate that they want to keep the shows going but maybe lay off the dives for a bit?

The review I read made that same point. While it's probably true, given how pointless the whole show is, they are wrestling for 700k viewers, and loads more on catch up. It's not like they're working an indy show to 30 people.

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I didn't mind the Archer stuff but in kayfabe, why would anyone (Cody?) book Marko Stunt against him in such as obvious mismatch as his first opponent? If you wanna test the guy, Jimmy Havoc (who gave Cody a decent challenge the previous week) was right there at ringside.

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I mean, he should start at the bottom. I actually quite like that he and Brodie Lee haven't come straight in to world title matches. I miss the days when new arrivals would have two months of jobbers on the B shows.

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Jobbers absolutely, but not Marko Stunt. That's almost management condemning him to death!

So now this screams a Darby/Murderhawk final with similar results....

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52 minutes ago, Linus said:

I mean, he should start at the bottom. I actually quite like that he and Brodie Lee haven't come straight in to world title matches. I miss the days when new arrivals would have two months of jobbers on the B shows.

WWE still take this approach sometimes, but whenever they do they tend to forget to stop doing it and it turns into 6-8 months of the same squash every week instead.

Thinking the Viking Raiders when they moved to Raw, or Baron Corbin doing the same sub-10 second match on NXT every week for about 3 years when he first debuted. He was doing it so long I think he turned twice before having a competitive match.

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Listening to Brodie Lee on Jericho's podcast, his blind spot for this Vince gimmick couldn't be more obvious. To him, having put up with Vince for years, suffering through all his oddball shit, it's the ultimate heel character. To anyone who hasn't worked directly under Vince though, who just hears what a fucking weirdo he is from stories ex-WWE guys share on podcasts, it's not a heel character at all. It's just a weirdo stuck in a bubble. More a tragic or laughable figure than anything else. Hopefully he cottons on or someone tells him eventually.

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51 minutes ago, mrtrickio said:

Don't think I've seen it mentioned here but Jericho said last night that they've got 6 Dynamites in the can...

Yeah, apparently they taped shows on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday last week. There hasn’t been anything said about Double or Nothing 2020 as yet, so it looks like they’ve taped up till that and hoping to be back in front of a crowd for that show. 

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18 hours ago, Supremo said:

Listening to Brodie Lee on Jericho's podcast, his blind spot for this Vince gimmick couldn't be more obvious. To him, having put up with Vince for years, suffering through all his oddball shit, it's the ultimate heel character. To anyone who hasn't worked directly under Vince though, who just hears what a fucking weirdo he is from stories ex-WWE guys share on podcasts

To be fair, so far he’s only imitated stuff that’s been referenced on podcasts and is well-known on forums, Reddit etc. It’s unlikely that Harper himself has ever been in the production meetings where Vince makes the writers wait for him to eat. Surely the idea is more to pop the niche audience that AEW/NXT are targeting than it is to be a proper heel.

Speaking of which, I’ve been wondering who the first proper AEW heel is likely to be. Not a wink-wink “great heel so funny I love him lol” like MJF and Jericho, but the first wrestler that the AEW fanbase will hate and want to see lose. It can’t be any of The Elite (except maybe Hangman) without the promotion itself turning heel. I feel like Swagger is the most likely candidate, I’m not at all sure how to reach that point with him though. Every hated WWE character in the last decade and a half or so has been that because they’re some kind of Vince/creative proxy. Even Jeff Jarrett in TNA’s early years was only hated because he was in charge behind the scenes and booked himself like reign of terror Triple H. 

Fuck it, it’s Randy Orton or nobody, isn’t it? The old fantasy booking of him from last year when he teased going. Turning up acting like he’s above everyone, playing nothing for laughs and doing his chinlocks.

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We're in an era where the only real heels are completely boring bastards that no-one would miss. So by those standards, MJF and Jericho and the whole Inner Circle have been presented as proper heels. Jericho is clearly entertaining and obviously isn't despised but his job is to make people want to see him lose, and he did that against Cody and Moxley on PPV and in lots of other TV matches. Same for MJF. He's less entertaining than Jericho and does seem to have fans online for being good at being bad, but he gets a good negative reaction in the arenas and his big moments have gone over well.

Nobody is getting booed out of buildings night in and night out these days unless they're completely useless. And no-one completely useless should be anywhere near the top of any card.

It helps that their babyfaces are strong. You don't need a dull heel like a Sheamus or Corbin  just to make your babyface seem a bit less lame if your babyface is great anyway.

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Eh, that's saying that a character actually getting heat is useless and not necessary. I suppose it might not be - Kofi vs Daniel Bryan at last year's WrestleMania is a good example of fan sentiment being driven by the babyface even though the heel is popular. But even in that, Bryan was Vince's proxy. Jericho is more or less the same sort of villain that Eco-Bryan was, but lacking the meta element of Kofimania, nobody was desperate to see Ambrose or Cody beat Jericho. Everyone was up for him having another six months with the belt. Without a character to truly rally against, it's hard to imagine anything having that same urgency as stuff like Cena vs Punk, or Sting vs Hogan. Although by the same token, it's hard to imagine a dissension angle in WWE getting fans as invested as the Matt Jackson/Hangman Page stuff does, so AEW has got a different palette to paint with there. Shades of grey drama with the Elite and friends might make up for the lack of real baddies.

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18 minutes ago, King Pitcos said:

Eh, that's saying that a character actually getting heat is useless and not necessary.

I don't think I said that. They've done plenty of angles to put heat on the inner Circle and MJF. It doesn't make everyone hate them. It doesn't stop fans singing Jericho's theme song. it doesn't stop people online commenting how good MJF is at being bad. BUT, that also doesn't stop fans being rabid when Cody and his mates storm up to the executive box to attack the Inner Circle or when Page comes out to save his mates. I don't like the shades of grey bollocks because it's normally a defence for piss-poor writing but here I think it's applicable. Not everyone hates Chris Jericho. Not everyone loves Cody. But most people in the arenas do see Cody as the heroic babyface and Jericho as the dick heel, as they're presented, and it works.

I think the Kofi example is a good one. There's no way everyone hated Daniel Bryan, and why would they when he'd been so beloved for yonks, but he was clearly positioned as the bad guy and Kofi's story was good enough to ensure it worked.

18 minutes ago, King Pitcos said:

nobody was desperate to see Ambrose or Cody beat Jericho. Everyone was up for him having another six months with the belt.

That's fair, there was debate on here about whether Jericho should lose but that was all from the "we could book wrestling" angle that we all come at it from. On the shows leading up to and on those PPVs, the fans were for the babyfaces. Which is the goal.

I'm not convinced we'll ever get a purely hated heel again. Who was even the last one? You give Cena/Punk as an example of having a character to truly rally against but the guy to rally against was the promotion's #1 babyface.

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