Snitsky's back acne Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, air_raid said: I'm still waiting on hearing some stories that tell us what a good brain for the business Hunter's become, like all those famous road trip stories where Chico gave Shawn or Kev the best advice of all time off the top of his head. The closest I've heard is when they wanted to have RVD beat him to become the first new World Heavyweight Champion on Raw when they were going to throw the Undisputed title into dispute, and Hunter told them it would get him more heat if they just presented him the belt on Raw on a whim of Bischoff beforehand. Which makes a lot of sense, but he did it for selfish motives. And in the end, didn't end up putting RVD over at all. Difference is HHH was a worker with his own best interests at heart then. Now he's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doog Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) Or, you know, instead of waiting to hear all these stories before making a judgment how about judge how the product has been the last year or so and how everything is ticking upwards and the character development and storylines have created an interest and buzz in WWE not seen for years, smashing attendance records all over the place, ratings up and generally a feel good feeling around the place and company. Now Triple H obviously isn't responsible for all of it, however it simply cannot be denied that since he has been more heavily involved in creative, and hell from when Vince left until Endeavour came in he was in charge of the whole company, business has been amazing. He clearly knows what he's doing and has done a fantastic job. He's the fucking man. Edited October 17, 2023 by Doog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted October 17, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted October 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Doog said: (some presumptions) At no point did I make any judgments about the product or deny what you purport. Go back and read what my good friend wrote, and what I replied. You’re arguing against something that nobody said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lion_of_the_Midlands Posted October 17, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted October 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, air_raid said: You’re arguing against something that nobody said. You've been here long enough to know that this kind of behaviour is fairly standard, not specifically for Doogie Doubter MD, just for anyone and everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted October 17, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted October 17, 2023 5 hours ago, air_raid said: I'm still waiting on hearing some stories that tell us what a good brain for the business Hunter's become, like all those famous road trip stories where Chico gave Shawn or Kev the best advice of all time off the top of his head. The closest I've heard is when they wanted to have RVD beat him to become the first new World Heavyweight Champion on Raw when they were going to throw the Undisputed title into dispute, and Hunter told them it would get him more heat if they just presented him the belt on Raw on a whim of Bischoff beforehand. Which makes a lot of sense, but he did it for selfish motives. And in the end, didn't end up putting RVD over at all. Yeah, the Reign of terror isn't his finest hour, but I remember some interviews where either Hunter himself, or the people being interviewed mentioned how Hunter would always want to try and work out how to best present everything, and there'll be little doubting that after he married Steph he'll have been around Vince a lot, watching and learning from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Land Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Loki said: The idea that Vince has been "had" in some way is just... the guy has just banked an insanely large cheque, still has a very high level job. I guess it depends on what you consider an insanely large cheque. Besides a bonus from WWE on the sale and the one-off $3.86 dividend he didn't profit from the merger. The only money involved was Endeavour dumping the billions of debt from buying the UFC into the new company and off their books. Vince doesn't seem to think it was enough otherwise he wouldn't have taken out a $85m loan to be repaid in 6 months. Only a couple of weeks before he would bank $111m in the one-time only dividend. That's quite the payday loan. Then between TKO's opening stock price to now, he's also seen about $500m chalked off his shareholding's value. Edited October 17, 2023 by Infinity Land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Your Fight Site Posted October 18, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted October 18, 2023 8 hours ago, Infinity Land said: Vince doesn't seem to think it was enough otherwise he wouldn't have taken out a $85m loan to be repaid in 6 months. You do realise this is just how rich people live, right? They borrow against their wealth, and can then deduct the loan repayments from their tax return. You even point out yourself it’s convenient timing because it’s exactly that: a way to reduce the amount of tax paid on that lump sum once it comes to the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinc Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 20 hours ago, Loki said: The idea that Vince has been "had" in some way is just... the guy has just banked an insanely large cheque, still has a very high level job. He's not an idiot, he's been doing this for years. He knew when he sold the company that it was the end of one way of working. This would be true if it was a normal merger, but the way Vince forced himself back into the company after the board had unanimously voted against it (his daughter included) suggests Vince had to get some new owners in lest he be frozen out. In that light, the Endeavour sale was the lesser of two evils for Vince in terms of power, rather than a straightforward cashing out. If not for the board mutiny you’d never have seen Vince dilute his own power to such an extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Land Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Your Fight Site said: You do realise this is just how rich people live, right? They borrow against their wealth, and can then deduct the loan repayments from their tax return. You even point out yourself it’s convenient timing because it’s exactly that: a way to reduce the amount of tax paid on that lump sum once it comes to the end of the year. Backed up by examples other major shareholders doing the same this time around or Vince having a history of taking loans out against his WWE shareholding? Edited October 18, 2023 by Infinity Land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Your Fight Site Posted October 18, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Infinity Land said: Backed up by examples other major shareholders doing the same this time around or Vince having a history of taking loans out against his WWE shareholding? You think Vince is the only person who wants to pay as less tax as possible? If shareholders are getting a windfall, they don’t want to pay a lump sum of it away in tax. A quick Google: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/5-ways-rich-people-make-money-debt-habeeb-mahmood/ It’s what rich people do. Elon Musk does it. Jeff Bezos does it. Rich people don’t stay rich by paying taxes on income and capital gains like “normal” people do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gaffer Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) Looks like Vince is about to make an extra $714,000,000 based on current share price. Wonder what the horrible bastard's getting himself for Christmas. Edited November 9, 2023 by Gay as FOOK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 22 minutes ago, Gay as FOOK said: Wonder what the horrible bastard's getting himself for Christmas. A cellmate, with any luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 After seeing recent pictures of him I honestly think he's dying. He really doesn't look well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-d-d-dAz Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 5 hours ago, Snitsky's back acne said: After seeing recent pictures of him I honestly think he's dying. He really doesn't look well. Nah, he might be a physical wreck structurally but if you can handle long haul flights to the Middle East just to watch the boxing you’re doing alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snitsky's back acne Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, d-d-d-dAz said: Nah, he might be a physical wreck structurally but if you can handle long haul flights to the Middle East just to watch the boxing you’re doing alright. He won't have been squashed into economy. Billionaires taking long haul flights can lay in a bed and get grapes hand fed to them the entire way if they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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