Loki Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 5 hours ago, Carbomb said: perhaps this is simply strategy? Maybe he realises that, as a Labour leader in a right-wing country, the best thing he can do is keep his mouth shut and let the Tories hang themselves, and only reveal more left-wing policies once they're out, because he knows that, the moment he gives away anything substantive about their manifesto, the press will just switch back and go after him full-on like they did Corbyn and Milliband This is almost certainly what it is. Â Blair had to agree to not change Tory spending for his first two years just to get the electorate to give Labour a chance. Â Then after his second election victory he and Brown had free reign and a full mandate. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamp Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 There is a whole wing of the labour party that's been persuaded that being electable means being a different shade of Tory. I think in part many of them share the "we have to do this or the Tories will win" belied. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Teedy Kay Posted July 28, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted July 28, 2022 If this leads to Burnham coming back to lead the party then I'm all for a bit of infighting. I hope to fucking God it does. I was willing to give Starmer a chance, but his messaging is just so fuzzy and unclear to everyone involved, I think he needs to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted July 28, 2022 Author Paid Members Share Posted July 28, 2022 People are in for quite a shock if they think Andy Burnham's our next political saviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted July 29, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted July 29, 2022 Not wanting to vote Labour to get Starmer in as PM sounds an awful lot like all those people who voted for Boris at the last election. You’re not voting for the PM your  voting for a party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Chest Rockwell Posted July 29, 2022 Moderators Share Posted July 29, 2022 A party with a shit leader and shit policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Cunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathrey Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 I'm guessing that's in response to LiZ Truss talking like she's Sean Bean just because she's from Roundhay in Leeds. She talks about it likes it's a ghetto, the usual shit ignorant twats bleat about in regards to Yorkshire when she's actually from one of the most affluent and thoroughly middle class areas of Leeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members ReturnOfTheMack Posted July 29, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted July 29, 2022 If she starts calling everyone bastards I may soften my view on her to a 99% useless shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Ronnie Posted July 29, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted July 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Keith Houchen said: I think that title's tied up forevermore by Lord Lerwick. Difficult to see how anyone's ever going to be more northern than somebody from Shetland. A forgivable oversight on Sunak's part, my picking out a long-forgotten aristocrat from the nineteenth century to get one over on him? Hardly: it's Norman Lamont. Thinking of him has just compelled me to look up one of his predecessors and ... somehow Nigel Lawson has made it to 90. I suppose there's hope for all of us if he didn't get felled by a heart attack thirty years ago, before he dropped all that weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted July 29, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted July 29, 2022 17 hours ago, Loki said: This is almost certainly what it is.  Blair had to agree to not change Tory spending for his first two years just to get the electorate to give Labour a chance.  Then after his second election victory he and Brown had free reign and a full mandate.  If Starmer's emulating Blair, I'm not voting for him. Tactically copying him is fine. Doing fuck-all with the mandate apart from surface social reforms is not what I want from a Labour leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCJ Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Starmer is Blair. Minus the charisma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members stumobir Posted July 29, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ronnie said: I think that title's tied up forevermore by Lord Lerwick. Difficult to see how anyone's ever going to be more northern than somebody from Shetland. A forgivable oversight on Sunak's part, my picking out a long-forgotten aristocrat from the nineteenth century to get one over on him? Hardly: it's Norman Lamont. Thinking of him has just compelled me to look up one of his predecessors and ... somehow Nigel Lawson has made it to 90. I suppose there's hope for all of us if he didn't get felled by a heart attack thirty years ago, before he dropped all that weight. Easy to forget that other obscure Chancellor come PM, Gordon Brown. Sunak is such a scrawny little twat, Truss is a certified idiot but I’ll take some solace in her becoming PM by someone as thick as her beating that entitled little suit. Edited July 29, 2022 by stumobir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Another reason I'd rather be dead than vote red right now. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 If Labour had received the most non-Tory votes in my constituency last election then I'd absolutely be voting for them in the next one, even if I had to hold my nose while doing so. I'm not going to let perfect be the enemy of better, and hold the country to ransom under Tory rule while insisting any replacement be everything I desire. Times are too desperate for too many for me to hold out for ideological purity right now. Your mileage may very. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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