Mr Butternut Squash Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Cesaro is in the wrong place at the wrongĀ time. He'd be a massive star in 80's Mid Atlantic or whatever.Ā He's not colourful enough for them. There's a low-key charisma and sense of humour there they never quite tap into.Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lenin Posted January 23, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 hours ago, DavidB6937 said: But what is his character? I have no idea. I don't feel like he has one. I get that he's been around for ages but if they want to push him as a singles star, they just need to give him a bit of depth. Not saying it'll work or anything but it's something they need to consider. Jericho's a great example of longevity plus changing things up successfully. Admittedly far better than Cesaro ever has but it's never too late to find that something different to catch on. Same situation as Dolph Ziggler for me (into his 17th year with WWE) and feeds into what I've been saying recently about storylines and why AEW makes so much sense - Why should we be invested in Cesaro or Ziggler? After 20 years they're not stars so what's their motivation? There's a case for saying it's the booking but it's also the case both are happy to have a job for life so aren't putting anything into it and thus fans aren't investing in them.Ā Jericho has been given some rubbish to work with over the years but more often than not he's put everything into it and ended up getting (it) over anyway. He's proven himself time and again. Even when he opens the show or doesn't have a main event spot he still carries himself like an absolute superstarĀ Cesaro and Dolph don't.Ā And that's why despite the numbers they have on their roster, it feels paper thin, it feels as though the show's treading water outside of the main event.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum1993 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 hours ago, DCW said: Cesaro has to be there a good 10 years now too, not a snowballs chance in hell he'll ever be able to deliver a decent promo at this stage. He was most entertaining when he was tagging with Swagger and Dirty Dutch did their talking for them. Did he have Heyman as a manager at some stage too? Cesaro is so bland I can't honestly remember. Rehashed Dean Malenko music, the stupid tear away suit, berets, Cesaro section, and the annoying ambulance theme tune. So many low effort attempts at defining some sort of a persona and none ever worked. Yeah Heyman started managing him the night after he won the Andre battle royal at Mania 30. It didnāt really work though because most of Heymanās promos were about Lesnar breaking the streak rather than CesaroĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavemanLynn Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Ziggler in his 17th year? 17 years takes you from the first Wrestlemania to 2002. How do you justify being around that long? Surely he's utterly minted on a 6 figure downside right now and just coasting. The question is often who would've been better in another era. I think a better question would be, who would've been given the heave-ho way earlier in another era? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted January 23, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) Dolph Zigglerās entire WWE career was summed upĀ that time he, āquit,ā the promotion whilst US Champion, then returned as Number 30 in the Royal Rumble for no reason, didnāt win the Rumble, and didĀ nothing of value afterwards. The absolute definition of just a guy doing some stuff, none of which matters or will ever be remembered fondly. Anyway, yeah. Itās madness how much potential one couple can have in BiancaĀ Belair and Montez Ford. Imagine if they ever have a kid? Thatās the key to the next boom period right there. Most important news of the year though -Ā Thank fuck. Edited January 23, 2021 by Supremo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lenin Posted January 24, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Supremo said: Dolph Zigglerās entire WWE career was summed upĀ that time he, āquit,ā the promotion whilst US Champion, then returned as Number 30 in the Royal Rumble for no reason, didnāt win the Rumble, and didĀ nothing of value afterwards. The absolute definition of just a guy doing some stuff, none of which matters or will ever be remembered fondly. Anyway, yeah. Itās madness how much potential one couple can have in BiancaĀ Belair and Montez Ford. Imagine if they ever have a kid? Thatās the key to the next boom period right there. Most important news of the year though -Ā Thank fuck. That's excellent news. I've always felt as THE guy he should have been given new entrance music a long time ago. I think part ofĀ the reason he didn't immediately push on and gain the fans' acceptance was the fact nothing about him had changed. As I mentioned earlier, if the wrestlers/powers that be don't put any effort into evolving their characters then the fans won't put effort into backing them.Ā If you think about every iconic main eventer WWE has had over the years they all have one thing in common - brilliant entrance music. It needs to be really strong because it grabs the attention of the fans. You hear the music before you see the wrestler. Reigns hasn't had a theme yet that announces him as a big deal, singles competitor.Ā However it's an interestingĀ comment he makes about having to learn to get his pacing right for The Shield's entrance theme so he's taking more time deciding on the new one.Ā It wouldn't go amiss for him to debut some new ring attire either. A clear evolution from fan favourite bad ass to top heel in the company. It's taken long enough but these are the final pieces in the jigsaw to complement the first class promos and matches he's put on over the last 6-7 months.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gaffer Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) To me Cesaro was always most over during his Real Americans rub. It was such an odd, funny paring and that theme music was so good. Winning that first Andre memorial was his height. As soon as Swagger, Zeb and the music left his act and they actually went with the internet being on to something with him, he's seemed nearly constantly exposed. The nee-naw-nee-naw theme, the weird shoulder tape - it's an athletic thing I know, but it creeps me out man, giving him Dean Malenko's 007 gimmick.Ā The Bar were alright.Ā Edited January 24, 2021 by Gay as FOOK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsurutagun Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 12 hours ago, Supremo said: Anyway, yeah. Itās madness how much potential one couple can have in BiancaĀ Belair and Montez Ford. Imagine if they ever have a kid? Thatās the key to the next boom period right there. Cue 2046, where you'll have fans yelling at Triple H, in his seventies and gloriously out of touch, to push the second generation athlete over Jay White who is in his 12th reign as Universal ChampionĀ In other news Rhea Ripley is still on NXT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted January 24, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 24, 2021 New entrance music is fantastic news. WWE have been really lazy at changing up or developing entrance music for the past decade. Back in the day it always felt important when a midcard wrestler on the rise jumped to a new bigger theme (especially if it added vocals) as a signal they are now a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted January 28, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) I know it's not a new thing but Roman's Reigns' hard man, bully character is undermined massively by his shitty velcro title belt. Blows my mind that a company so micromanaged and overproduced lets the velcro be so visible. Makes the belt look like a cheap toy. It's half happened without anyone really talking about it, but Daniel Bryan is going to retire into a position of power in this company, isn't he? Hearing he's already got his hand in creative on Smackdown, watching him cut the most normal, human-sounding promo in the company, watching him do a better job hyping up the Rumble than everything else combined, hearing how well he manages to put everyone over on commentary, knowing how intelligent he is, I'd be tempted to let him write the entire show once he hangs up the boots. He's a real asset. Eventually, he could be everything this company needs. Absolutely CONVINCED Michael Cole shouting, "things just got interesting!" when Dolph Ziggler's music hit was a rib. Edited January 28, 2021 by Supremo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lion_of_the_Midlands Posted January 28, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted January 28, 2021 I just thought they wanted the belts to look like the ones you can buy from WWE shop. So it is all part of the marketing. They are not cheap to buy though.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cutting Edge Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 One aspect of Romans turn I liked is the timing makes for blurred lines between real and story, his realisation due to the pandemic that he's the top guy and a provider that needs to stop fucking about with dog food etc. That mindset has helped get him to the next level in both cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaaad! Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Supremo said: He's a real asset. Eventually, he could be everything this company needs. Definitely. He could be the best writer on TV for the two months heād be afforded before Mental Grandpa Mac fires him and replaces him with Headbanger Mosh.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I really hope weāre not about to get Braun vs Reigns at Wrestlemania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator Frankie Crisp Posted January 30, 2021 Awards Moderator Share Posted January 30, 2021 They actually put Cesaro on commentary. āHe drives wedges between people. Heās a wedge driverā Fuck me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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