bigfoote Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 If Labour had any credibility before tonight, it's all gone now. For Corbyn to order his lot to abstain from the vote on a second referendum, only to then proclaim at the dispatch box that policy is still to seek one...is just hypocrisy of the highest order. Tories can't be trusted, Labour have no spine. Would not surprise me if the EU just turn around and go "Fuck it, you had your chance, now fuck off and deal with life outside" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Accident Prone said: However, I know that I'm extremely thankful for benefits such as the WTD and the NHS, and the National Minimum Wage, the 28 days paid holiday, sick pay and maternity pay. With Brexit looming over and all the chaos surrounding it, all my worries concern those amazing benefits being ripped away from us by the Torries, or other right-wing parties, no matter how irrational that fear may be. The thing is, those benefits weren't given to us by the EU, they were won by ordinary people over many years. And if our democratically elected government sees fit to try and remove them it's up to the people to combat that with their vote at the next election. We shouldn't be relying on some outfit in fucking Brussels to defend our human rights, that's up to us to defend at the polling station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyattSheepMask Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 412 in favour of asking for an extension, 202 against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fog Dude Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, David said: The thing is, those benefits weren't given to us by the EU, they were won by ordinary people over many years. And if our democratically elected government sees fit to try and remove them it's up to the people to combat that with their vote at the next election. We shouldn't be relying on some outfit in fucking Brussels to defend our human rights, that's up to us to defend at the polling station. You're right that all the benefits listed bar the working time directive weren't won at the EU level. Perhaps those rum and cokes are impeding your critical faculties though. We have as much control over the 'outfit' in Brussels as we do over the shower of shit in Westminster. We don't elect the Queen, judges, civil servants or the House of Lords (or the WTO, NATO, Commonwealth etc. for that matter) so why would you expect to elect the Council, Commission and ECJ directly? At least European Parliament elections use a form of PR, whereas the Commons is still stuck with archaic first-past-the-post. I have a little bit more time for Lexiters than I do for right-wing disaster capitalist vulture Leavers because at least the former tend to have their heart in the right place. If they want the EU to be more left-wing, they should understand than instead of leaving it, they need to vote for more progressive MEPs. And if there's then still something they can't change because of the wording of EU treaties, then they should vote for left-wing parties in domestic elections and get those clauses amended. Brexit was only ever intended as a fascist coup and those on the left have a duty to oppose it and thwart it in its entirety. For me, it's as simple as that. That might sound a bit extreme, but I think everyone's lost a lot of patience with the process by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members PJ Power Posted March 14, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, bigfoote said: If Labour had any credibility before tonight, it's all gone now. For Corbyn to order his lot to abstain from the vote on a second referendum, only to then proclaim at the dispatch box that policy is still to seek one...is just hypocrisy of the highest order. Tories can't be trusted, Labour have no spine. Would not surprise me if the EU just turn around and go "Fuck it, you had your chance, now fuck off and deal with life outside" Jean Claude Juncker at his next press conference... Edited March 14, 2019 by PJ Power Major post submission issues :( Apologies folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Sergio Mendacious Posted March 14, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted March 14, 2019 40 minutes ago, David said: (I may or may not have had a few rum and cokes tonight 😁) Enjoy them while you can, it's going to be bin juice and brine after hard brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, Sergio Mendacious said: Enjoy them while you can, it's going to be bin juice and brine after hard brexit. I believe that is the second most popular cocktail in Glasgow so he'll be having them when he comes home after his EU sojourn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Your Fight Site Posted March 14, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted March 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: I believe that is the second most popular cocktail in Glasgow so he'll be having them when he comes home after his EU sojourn. Nah. I once ordered a JD and Coke in a Glasgow bar only to be told, “We don’t do cocktails here, pal.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members unfitfinlay Posted March 14, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 hour ago, PJ Power said: Secondly, both Labour and the Liberal Democrats have been burned by their associations with the Tories over the last few years, Labour got almost wiped out in Scotland in 2015 after the fallout of the independence referendum, while the Lib Dems suffered the same to a lesser extent but was far more hurt by being a minor coalition partner. Neither party could be blamed for wanting to work with the Tories on Brexit based on recent experience. I don't think anyone was proposing some kind formal alliance, like the coalition or Better Together. A "Brexit Committee" that had input from all Parties. and the devolved Governments wouldn't have harmed anyone involved. Get them to come up with a plan that they all agree on THEN trigger Article 50. It still wouldn't be great but it would've been a shit load better than the current situation, which is just fucking embarrassing. We're nearly two weeks away from leaving and we STILL don't know what we want yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Your Fight Site said: Nah. I once ordered a JD and Coke in a Glasgow bar only to be told, “We don’t do cocktails here, pal.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chilly McFreeze Posted March 14, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted March 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Chest Rockwell said: I thought for sure when I first saw that it was a Cassette Boy joint. Surprised that it isn't. It's swedemason. Dude has been killing it for years on youtube and does it for a living now (he did the MasterChef 'Buttery Biscuit Bass' remix that went viral a few years ago, but there's a goldmine of this stuff on his channel) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoUqzYqTYp9SE9RTkUYusZA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted March 14, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted March 14, 2019 4 hours ago, David said: Thing is C-Bomb, this is a nasty, messy divorce. The EU aren't interested in non-damaging, orderly or humane, and rightly so. If other nations see us walk away from the EU in a pleasant, orderly fashion then why wouldn't they maybe want the same? Not every nation in the group is entirely convinced by the entity. They aren't actively trying to cause damage to the process (certainly not as much as our own politicians are, that's for sure) but they have no interest in seeing the process go smoothly and Britain successfully walking away. In many ways this situation, regardless of how it played out, was always going to be an example to the rest. The 'Tories have not had their problems to seek for sure, and are a shambles, but the other parties still playing politics is ridiculous as well. It's for this very reason that I always had doubts when people would say to me that we could effect change from within the EU. Not only is the organisation set up to actively discourage democratic change from the ground up, but our politicians aren't anywhere near capable of such a thing. If the people charged with Governing our country, both EU and national government alike, weren't such power-hungry, careerist bastards we wouldn't be in this position. For those of us who've been around for a few years this has always been on the cards. What we ended up with was what we actively sought out with how we vote and our priorities. It's populist politics, where personality and soundbites wins over all else. Has been for a while. When the EU vote was announced I knew, as someone who's always argued against the EU and the road its going down from a left position, that the whole thing would be hijacked by cretins. On both sides. It's like the US with trump, there's now no middle ground. There's two defined camps, and both sides only dig their heels in even more in the face of any type of discussion. Humanity in the UK is split into uneducated, angry, racist Brexit lowlifes and middle-class, sneer-down-their-nose types at the great unwashed who dare vote against the status quo. In short, the whole thing is fucked. We leave the EU, one half of the nation will be pissed off and unhappy. We have a revote and the other half will be pissed off and unhappy. No one wins. Fuck the lot of it, it's time to burn it all to the ground and start again. (I may or may not have had a few rum and cokes tonight 😁) I see your point, but am not entirely sure how far I agree with it. The way the EU treated Greece isn't likely to be the same way they'd treat the UK, for the very simple fact that the UK is a major economy, even now. Whilst I have no time for all those fucking ERG roasters who go on about how the EU will be desperate for a deal with us because of how amazing we apparently are, from a simple, objective standpoint, the UK is still the world's 5th/6th largest economy, and potentially a powerful partner to have. I get they might want to make an example of leavers, but at the same time, the EU's a long-term project, for better or worse, and I get the impression they'll be looking at this as a temporary arrangement, during which time they'll give us our space to see other people, take some alone-time to have a think about what we want in life, and avoid pissing us off because they're entertaining the hope we'll come back and have awesome make-up sex (alright, I'm taking the analogy too far, but you get my meaning). Basically, I think they'll want more to avoid burning bridges because they think we're just throwing a paddy, and would try to keep us sweet so that we'd return to the fold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewster McCloud Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 14 hours ago, jazzygeofferz said: Ken Clarke? He's not bad, but his taste in trousers would prevent him holding the top spot, and it always went tits up when he tried to become the leader of the Conservatives. Pretty good record as an MP, though - pro Europe and stood up to Thatcher about the NHS when he was health secretary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavemanLynn Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I wonder if May is secretly wearing baby blue trunks. Being politics, there's a lot of posturing going on here. The UK is actually a pretty strong economy, so as one poster stated earlier, the EU are going to make it as ugly as possible for us to leave, because a) they want to hold onto us, even as a gateway into other markets, and b) to put the willies up any other EU countries considering also splitting. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a shitstorm until D-Day, then suddenly deals come out of both sides to allow the stock markets to stabilise and limit damage over the next few years it'll take to uncouple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewster McCloud Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) We're not putting the willies up anyone, dude. The UK has become a laughing stock in the eyes of the EU, and rightly so. Edited March 15, 2019 by Brewster McCloud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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