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The FCW documentary just turned up today. Fascinating behind the scenes clips of how today’s current roster came up. Some really great green clips as well

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4 hours ago, WyattSheepMask said:

The Ruthless Aggression Series has been a bit shit. The odd bit of interesting backstage footage, but not much more

Yeah, this has been a big disappointment to be honest. I was excited when they announced it but it just hasn't lived up to what I thought it was going to be. 

The Evolution episode was probably the best one, because everyone mostly told the truth and the behind-the-scenes stuff was interesting. The first one was typical WWE narrative stuff - of course the World Wildlife Fund for Nature lawsuit had nothing to do with the name change - and the Brock one was a major letdown. 

How can you do a documentary on Lesnar, one of the most interesting figures in WWE history, and cut it down to 40 minutes of nothing? 

Hoping the last episode is a lot better. 

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The Lesnar one was inevitably hamstrung by the big lad electing not to appear in it, save for clips from that Confidential interview they done of him where he looks nutted out of it on his Ruthless Aggression era vodka and vicodin diet. 

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I think it's been fine, but it's not exactly the most fascinating period in their history. I have counted 5 showings of Lesnar F5'ing Rikishi in 4 episodes, not sure why they think this is such an iconic moment - I think they've shown it more often than the ring collapsing. 

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I enjoyed parts of the Lesnar one, though it's hilarious that despite him being under contract they still couldn't get him to record any interviews for a documentary about him. 

For the most part they've all been hurt by the amount of revisionist history or just plain glossing over things, and by weird pacing - them doing a whole episode on John Cena as the chosen next big guy before they'd talked about Brock seemed an odd choice to me, and kind of implied a chronology that wasn't true. Trying to do a Ruthless Aggression series, and talking about all the problems they encountered at the time, without talking about Guerrero and Benoit (which obviously they were never going to) just means it's a random grab bag of what they feel worked at that time. It also felt typically selective of WWE to be talking about the need to build new stars and focus on a new generation, while conveniently glossing over the fact that they had Austin eating up TV time forever after he retired, and were giving major in-ring pushes to Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair and a decades past his prime Roddy Piper, trying to get their hands on every WCW name they could, and pushing Vince McMahon as an in-ring competitor to an unprecedented degree.

The Evolution one was probably the most interesting, in terms of openly talking about Flair's anxieties, Orton being an immature dick, how the group formed, and the possibility of Jindrak having been part of the group. 

So far it's been a random grab bag of stuff from that era, with my only real takeaway from it being that I want to see a much longer interview/discussion with Brian Gewirtz about it all - he was a real hate figure online at the time, with the blame for everything placed at this feet for not being a "wrestling guy", but he often comes across as the sole voice of reason in this series, especially contrasted to the adding nothing yes man bullshit of Bruce Prichard.

 

And, as ever, good to see Jim Cornette take a break from criticising AEW because the Khans donated to the Trump campaign in order to take a paycheck from the Trump supporting WWE. 

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The trailer for that Ruthless Aggression show was absolutely shite. From the soundbytes they chucked on there, you could hear the revision of history. No need to waste time watching 5 episodes of it.

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Agreed on Gewirtz. Seems like the kind of gentle, level headed guy you could imagine JBL dragging into the showers for a bit of 'initiation'. I'm sure he's far happier out from Vince's thumb. Didn't know he produces for the Rock's Seven Bucks Productions company until I just looked him up. 

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Not sure how many more episodes are due from this, but they’ve already released a trailer for Series 2 coming later this year

 

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Yeah, Gewirtz comes across as a fairly rational & likeable lad during the episodes, the complete opposite of that wanker Prichard and his big jelly neck. I loved the unseen footage of Orton acting his age backstage, and was hoping for more of that type of stuff as opposed to the usual WWE shite we've ended up with. I also would have loved an in depth episode on the mini revival Smackdown underwent in late 2002 with the rise of the likes of Edge, Matt Hardy, Mysterio, Eddie, Cena, Brock etc.

Is the FCW show worth a gander?

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9 hours ago, SaitoRyo said:

The Evolution episode was probably the best one, because everyone mostly told the truth and the behind-the-scenes stuff was interesting. The first one was typical WWE narrative stuff - of course the World Wildlife Fund for Nature lawsuit had nothing to do with the name change - and the Brock one was a major letdown. 

I found that both baffling and fascinating. It points to some embarrassingly fragile egos, or at the very least the fear that they might exist.

WWE documentaries have essentially become the wrestling equivalent of North Korean state news in recent years, it’s bizarre.

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3 hours ago, RedRooster said:

 

WWE documentaries have essentially become the wrestling equivalent of North Korean state news in recent years, it’s bizarre.

They've always been that way. You only have to look at the difference in the DVD releases for the Warrior pre and post HOF/Death. The company line is king.

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10 hours ago, DCW said:

Yeah, Gewirtz comes across as a fairly rational & likeable lad during the episodes, the complete opposite of that wanker Prichard and his big jelly neck. I loved the unseen footage of Orton acting his age backstage, and was hoping for more of that type of stuff as opposed to the usual WWE shite we've ended up with. I also would have loved an in depth episode on the mini revival Smackdown underwent in late 2002 with the rise of the likes of Edge, Matt Hardy, Mysterio, Eddie, Cena, Brock etc.

Is the FCW show worth a gander?

Yes, it's an easy watch and there's some fun stories in there. Loved everyone playing the 'back in my day, before NXT...' card when it was, like, 2010. I get what they're saying, but it's not exactly the 70's is it? 

I thought the last episode of the Ruthless Aggression series was alright. Still covered a lot of the same ground as other episodes but I really do enjoy seeing all the backstage and b-roll footage they have from that era. 

Speaking of which, that clip of Undertaker supposedly throwing a tizzy backstage in the season two trailer has got me excited, but I know it'll be just like that episode of WWE 24 when Lesnar through the belt at Vince and he called him an asshole. 

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10 hours ago, DCW said:

Yeah, Gewirtz comes across as a fairly rational & likeable lad during the episodes, the complete opposite of that wanker Prichard and his big jelly neck. I loved the unseen footage of Orton acting his age backstage, and was hoping for more of that type of stuff as opposed to the usual WWE shite we've ended up with. I also would have loved an in depth episode on the mini revival Smackdown underwent in late 2002 with the rise of the likes of Edge, Matt Hardy, Mysterio, Eddie, Cena, Brock etc.

Is the FCW show worth a gander?

They've done this on the last episode. It's a decent watch. Better than most of the rest of the first season. As said above it's got quite a lot of backstage footage in it, of the kind you don't normally see much of in that era. The whole angle of Raw being turgid and Smackdown being on fire has been covered plenty in podcasts etc by the writers but it was nice to see them acknowledge it in a WWE production so openly. Funny too that any time this stuff was being said, the Raw example was Triple H going around out of shape with the big gold belt, although they never mentioned him by name as a factor in anything, or even by association with his box office failures with the likes of Steiner and Nash. 

The clip of Undertaker chucking the chair is from when Flair drafted him to Raw.

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