CavemanLynn Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) There's no reason why internal and external forces can't meet in the middle when it comes to changing the business for the better. There's nothing stopping promotions and schools taking the initiative to establish policies, register with existing bodies and promote these measures as much as possible. Put statements and links to registry pages and policies online, on posters and in show programmes. Talk to other promoters in nearby areas about the measures you're taking, and share ideas. There will be unscrupulous ones who'll reject this. There'll be some who try to do the minimum and take shortcuts. There'll be some who'll laugh and hang up at the first mention of a discussion about the safety of their trainees and talent. There'll be show goers and parents who won't care. I don't doubt that a lot of promoters who believe they won't be able to afford extra checks don't actually know the costs. A £13 annual DBS check is a pittance to accredit that a worker is clean, trustworthy and professional. Thinking about it, I'd love a school to pay for a new worker's first dues, like getting your pro card in bodybuilding - if a trainee's been with a school, they'll already have paid in £500-1000, so what's £13? It's never one big thing that suddenly changes things. It's dozens, hundreds, of small steps that eventually come together. The more steps promotions take now, the easier it will be for the charlatans to be found out when wider legislation comes in. And to be clear, that legislation may never come; it doesn't mean that we as a wrestling community can't make a difference. Edited June 22, 2020 by CavemanLynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacko Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said: He’s been treated harsher then Jimmy Havoc here Still a slap on the wrist really he will still be in a massively prominent spot when he returns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, Snitsky's back acne said: Genuine question - I've seen people say about CBS checks but would having those have prevented any of the reported incidents happening? I appreciate they could prevent repeat offenses etc but all of the names mentioned would, as far as we know, more than likely passed CBS checks were they subject to them wouldn't they? I think it's a great idea in theory as any kind of regulation is better than none but would it be effective? That's a great question. In truth, at present it will flag the very worst, although the vast majority of those people will still be in regular contact with legal professionals anyway, accounting for their behaviours, particularly in relation to young people. For the majority of those who have done terrible things or could do terrible things but don't have a record, it's a deterrent. It says 'we are asking you to prove you haven't done anything terrible before you are allowed in the building'. It's part of a much bigger picture of safeguarding, and in most (seemingly almost all except wrestling) situations working with kids the absolute bare minimum of expectations. It also creates a cycle; many of the stories shared on socials in the last week if proven in court, would show up on a DBS. Require DBS > Report future issues to police through a robust safeguarding policy > get convictions which show up on DBS > create a predator blacklist > make wrestling a safer place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) @Julian Radbourne - I’m relatively new on this forum, so I don’t feel qualified to say much here but I feel like your post deserves acknowledgement. While I’m sure someone who is in a better place to say something will. I hope you’re doing better now. Edited June 24, 2020 by RedRooster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted June 22, 2020 Author Share Posted June 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, Julian Radbourne said: If truth be known I could have written about a hell of a lot more, but I didn't. Thank heaven for small mercies. Look, yeah you were treated like shit but this thread is about the sexual assault and grooming that’s been going on, it isn’t about you so let’s not make it about you and leave it there? Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted June 22, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2020 I for one am glad all these people were sexually abused and mentally ruined for the rest of their lifes, since I can now read TwoShits review without thinking he was a porky teller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patiirc Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 57 minutes ago, Julian Radbourne said: You know, I wasn't going to say anything here, but screw it, I've got nothing to lose. A few years ago I wrote about the verbal and emotional abuse I had recieved from the Knight family and their associates after I left WAW, about all of the lies and the rumours that were floating around about me back then. Nobody believed a word I said. Nobody in the business, none of the so-called friends I'd made supported me when I left and when I wrote that piece. All I got was even more abuse. This forum had a field day, poking fun at me, insulting me even further and heaping more misery on me. It even got to the point where a Facebook page was set advocating violence against me, a page that was liked by several people connected to the Knight family. If truth be known I could have written about a hell of a lot more, but I didn't. I really didn't want the hassle, because I knew that if I mentioned any of it the Knight family would just deny it and go on about the support they gave me when I was working through my mental health problems, and that some of the people on this forum would insult and ridicule me even more. Despite all of this I used to give the Knight family credit for what they did for me, that was until one of their number (I won't say who) posted on Facebook that I had faked my mental health problems all of those years ago. They then accused me of something else I won't go into here. Needless to say that what they said about my illness was a complete load of rubbish, and I could easily back this up by getting copies of my medical records from 2001 to 2005. (Don't go looking for that post. It was made during a conversation on another wrestler's Facebook account, and I asked him to delete the post because of what had been said about me.) If truth be known I only put the WAW-related material back on my blog because I knew that with the release of their film I could get a few more hits and perhaps show a few people just what I'd done for their company. I guess the thing I really wanted was for the Knight family to acknowledge what I'd done for their company, which is something they've refused to do. Indeed, if you look at the history page of the WAW website you'll see that there's nothing listed from 2002 until 2005. When I saw Charlie Morgan's post this morning, and I saw what others had posted and who had liked those posts I finally felt, after all these years, that a burden had been lifted from my shoulders. I know that what I went through is nothing compared to what others have gone through at the hands of the Knight family, but what these women have done, and what others have done with the emergence of the #SpeakingOut movement is incredibly brave and courageous. They all have my respect and admiration, and I applaud them for their efforts. To one of the forum members who apologised for the things they said about me in that thread a few years back, thank you for your courage and honesty. But to those who ridiculed, insulted and laughed at me for what I said, shame on you UK Fan Forum, shame on you. Im really confused reading this It appears like you are trying to drive traffic towards your blog, to see 'what really happened' I'm sorry that you have been treated like crap, whatever happened? I vaguely remember a meltdown over something in Cromer, but aside from that I'm not sure. Genuinely not got a clue. Cant remember most of 2012-16 So if was then. Im sorry Perhaps it's better to talk to the authorities about it, or at least not try and make light of others very very personal stories so you can monetise it. It seems very off and Im trying to work out what your post was trying to get at as its not in keeping with what has come before I'll quite happily stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Tommy! Posted June 22, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, patiirc said: It appears like you are trying to drive traffic towards your blog, to see 'what really happened' That's still better than using this to try and drum up future bookings for themselves like someone is on twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Your Fight Site Posted June 22, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tommy! said: That's still better than using this to try and drum up future bookings for themselves like someone is on twitter. Was that a guy called Chris Murphy? I saw him reply to a Tweet with #bookthehitset (which I’m guessing is his moniker or tag team name or something) and called him out on it. The Tweet’s since been deleted, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patiirc Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tommy! said: That's still better than using this to try and drum up future bookings for themselves like someone is on twitter. JFC That's awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Tommy! Posted June 22, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Your Fight Site said: Was that a guy called Chris Murphy? I saw him reply to a Tweet with #bookthehitset (which I’m guessing is his moniker or tag team name or something) and called him out on it. The Tweet’s since been deleted, though. No, but I'm not surprised it's not a one off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted June 22, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Your Fight Site said: Was that a guy called Chris Murphy? Nah, just some shitarse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Radbourne Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, patiirc said: Im really confused reading this It appears like you are trying to drive traffic towards your blog, to see 'what really happened' I'm sorry that you have been treated like crap, whatever happened? I vaguely remember a meltdown over something in Cromer, but aside from that I'm not sure. Genuinely not got a clue. Cant remember most of 2012-16 So if was then. Im sorry Perhaps it's better to talk to the authorities about it, or at least not try and make light of others very very personal stories so you can monetise it. It seems very off and Im trying to work out what your post was trying to get at as its not in keeping with what has come before I'll quite happily stand corrected. If people want to think that I only spoke out on here so I could get a few more hits on my blog then so be it, I'm not going to argue with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Thunderplex Posted June 22, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Julian Radbourne said: They then accused me of something else I won't go into here. Was this when it was alledged that you were caught spafffing one out over Saraya when she was having a doze on the settee? Shame on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Thunderplex said: Was this when it was alledged that you were caught spafffing one out over Saraya when she was having a doze on the settee? Shame on them. Jesus Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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