The AEW Wednesday Night Dynamite Thread

[Brudaker]

Would have been better on PPV where they didn't have to work the pacing round ad breaks but an excellent match overall. Really sold the animosity between the stables and felt like a violent fight much more in the vein of the original War Games matches than the NXT versions have been.

Honestly the debate around the Jericho bump is odd. Sure the production could have been better but where are all these incredible cage bumps that weren't obviously onto pads? I haven't bought into any stunt bump in decades but that doesn't matter in wrestling today, we all know it's a work. What matters is the story and the characters and in my opinion this nails it. It shows how twisted and driven MJF is, cements the bond between the Inner Circle, gives Sammy a wrong to try and right, makes The Pinnacle look legit, etc. 

[TheBurningRed]

They should’ve just made the Jericho bump as awkward as this with a camera man waiting until the crash mat is partially moved out the way before showing him laid out. 
 

 

[mim731]

5 minutes ago, TheBurningRed said:

They should’ve just made the Jericho bump as awkward as this with a camera man waiting until the crash mat is partially moved out the way before showing him laid out. 
 

 

I don't think this is all that bad, and the Jericho bump is far worse than this. The execution is far from perfect with Hardy/Umaga, but at least here there is an attempt to disguise the crash mat using production trickery and the awkwardness can be partially excused by the outdoor setting.

The choice of shot from Blood and Guts is the problem, not the spot (although as previously mentioned the law of diminishing returns on these sorts of stunts makes it instantly forgettable).

[LaGoosh]

The return of the Technique by Taz videos was great, especially as while they were previously played straight this one was used to take the piss out of Christian. Absolutely hilarious and hopefully these become a regular feature.

[RedRooster]

22 minutes ago, Brudaker said:

Honestly the debate around the Jericho bump is odd. Sure the production could have been better but where are all these incredible cage bumps that weren't obviously onto pads? I haven't bought into any stunt bump in decades but that doesn't matter in wrestling today, we all know it's a work. What matters is the story and the characters and in my opinion this nails it. It shows how twisted and driven MJF is, cements the bond between the Inner Circle, gives Sammy a wrong to try and right, makes The Pinnacle look legit, etc. 

It's not odd at all. No one sensible is suggesting that they should have killed Jericho, just that if you're going to do a bump like that, you should be extra mindful about how you execute it. "It doesn't matter how it looks, it's about the wider storyline" is dangerously close to "it doesn't matter if we drop this plot thread, no one remembers it anyway" as far as logic goes. 

If you really decide that you HAVE to go with this spot, it's not like it was impossible to make it look better. And if it is impossible to make it look better, don't do it. 

Just now, LaGoosh said:

The return of the Technique by Taz videos was great, especially as while they were previously played straight this one was used to take the piss out of Christian. Absolutely hilarious and hopefully these become a regular feature.

Had they run these on Dynamite before, or was this a Dark thing? It's not something I ever remember seeing. 

[TheBurningRed]

6 minutes ago, mim731 said:

I don't think this is all that bad, and the Jericho bump is far worse than this. The execution is far from perfect with Hardy/Umaga, but at least here there is an attempt to disguise the crash mat using production trickery and the awkwardness can be partially excused by the outdoor setting.

The choice of shot from Blood and Guts is the problem, not the spot (although as previously mentioned the law of diminishing returns on these sorts of stunts makes it instantly forgettable).

Oh I get that. It’s just the only example I could think off where they avoided a camera spot to disguise to crash mat but made it awkward in doing so. I think they only showed the one replay in the Hardy-Umaga match and it just took the effect right out of the move and the finish by not showing him actually hitting the swanton bomb. 

[LaGoosh]

They ran on Dynamite ages ago. Think they started before Team Taz was a thing.

[Chili]

QT Marshall was pretty good this week 😬

[LaGoosh]

6 minutes ago, Chili said:

QT Marshall was pretty good this week 😬

He kicked out off a Tombstone Piledriver. JR was not happy.

Actually, neither was I.

[CavemanLynn]

24 minutes ago, LaGoosh said:

They ran on Dynamite ages ago. Think they started before Team Taz was a thing.

They were first when Taz first started hassling Darby Allin, possibly to get Taz's 'legit' credentials over for his upcoming Team Taz fighter camp gimmick.

The next time I remember them being used was in the build to Cage vs Moxley, where he insisted Moxley couldn't hit the Paradigm Shift because Brian's neck was too hench. More shameless bro bragging bullshit, please.

[Chili]

Just now, LaGoosh said:

He kicked out off a Tombstone Piledriver. JR was not happy.

Actually, neither was I.

Guess it wasn't in the script. The hatred of him is laughable. 

Wasn't bad this week, Blood & Guts was alright even if it got lost somewhere in the third quarter. Good stunt at the end, shame about that bloody camera shot, the shot eyeline with the cage made it look really good. 

Darby Allin needs to have a word occasionally. Not when you're not even wrestling mate. 

Liked the 4 Way, didn't see the actual point in it. 

I reckon next week is going to absolutely smoke this one, although even with the adds on this still had the One Match show feel. 

Double or Nothing predictions or feeling where its going. 

*Britt/Shida (Main Event maybe), Omega/OC, Mox & Eddie/Bucks or Good Brothers (Bucks could face someone else), Dark Order/Hardy's Lot (Stadium Stampede), Miro/?, Sky & Ethan Page/some Darby, Sting or Archer combo, Casino Ladder Match, MJF/Sammy maybe. 

[Tsurutagun]

5 hours ago, Keith Houchen said:

Marvellous trolling here. You can taste the tears in the replies. 

 

This would be funnier if she was one of the top female heels in NXT but she's not so it comes across as really weird

 

4 hours ago, RedRooster said:

didn't enjoy it much, but framing it as a "QT is rubbish" narrative isn't completely accurate. It's not about his in ring ability, it's about what he has to offer in comparison to the push he's getting, particularly when there are far more talented wrestlers on that roster who aren't featured on TV regularly in favour of Marshall - people like Pac, Penta, Fenix, Nyla Rose, Shida (they're frigging Women's Champion) and Jungle Boy to name a few. 

4 hours ago, Tsurutagun said:

Tbf that's a "they have too many people on the roster" problem. I think QT is massively underrated. He was great in the street fight against Butcher and Blade and whenever he wrestles on Dark those matches are very easy watches. I would say he's this generations Larry Zbyzsko but that'll probably get everyone bent out of shape. 

[Brudaker]

55 minutes ago, RedRooster said:

It's not odd at all. No one sensible is suggesting that they should have killed Jericho, just that if you're going to do a bump like that, you should be extra mindful about how you execute it. "It doesn't matter how it looks, it's about the wider storyline" is dangerously close to "it doesn't matter if we drop this plot thread, no one remembers it anyway" as far as logic goes. 

If you really decide that you HAVE to go with this spot, it's not like it was impossible to make it look better. And if it is impossible to make it look better, don't do it. 

Had they run these on Dynamite before, or was this a Dark thing? It's not something I ever remember seeing. 

For what it's worth I think there are loads of better ways to end the match and I personally would have kept it in the cage. I also didn't say it doesn't matter how it looks. My point was that none of these bumps look real and nor should they, protecting the wrestlers should absolutely be the priority. That everyone is kicking off about this particular bump, which looks no more fake than similar ones done in WWE for years and AEW since it started, is what I personally find odd.

Don't really see how saying story is important is similar to saying it doesn't matter if we finish stories. Seems to me like those two points of view are pretty contradictory.  

Edited May 6, 2021 by Brudaker

[Chili]

For the record I'd have done a straight rip of the 97 nWo/Horseman finish. Didn't really need it but I get they kind of like this Prince and King thing with Jericho/MJF. 

WCW is still, given how wrong they did it themselves , the only company to still do War Games properly. I think the end period should go 7-10 minutes tops. Big brawl and the end, juice, finish. 

[Merzbow]

I didn't really like the match in general, it just felt weirdly paced and disjointed to the point I couldn't get into it even with everything that happened. I'm going to have to rewatch it at some point tho.

Can't deny that there were some great individual performances, P&P and Sammy gave it their all and MJF looked like the biggest dickhead in wrestling.

In regards to the ending, Jericho looking around to see who's around then noticing the camera was on him was worse than the actual bump. You could see when he thought "oh shit".

Edited May 6, 2021 by Merzbow