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51 minutes ago, WyattSheepMask said:

So Total Viewership is considered important this week, there’s a suprise

Nope, it’s not important just slightly interesting 

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17 hours ago, tiger_rick said:

More of a WWE trope is Trent's last name having disappeared!

That actually happened when he left WWE. They got shirty about him being Trent Baretta on indies, so he briefly just wrestled as Baretta, and then as Trent?. 

16 hours ago, cobra_gordo said:

This is my biggest gripe. Not sure if they're scared of booking some of the mid-card tweeners as proper heels or what but I've found it confusing at times and it has led to a couple of flat reactions from the crowd. 

I think a lot of this comes down to what's been discussed, of some of the roster genuinely believing that "heels and faces" are a thing of the past. 

Cody's the most egregious, though he at least seems to have settled in to heroic babyface territory now that they're on TV. In the early PPVs, though, he'd be cutting babyface promos then wrestling heel, or wrestling face with a heel manager, and just generally flip-flopping all over the place. The worst was the Darby Allin match, where he wrestled as a heel throughout, then Shawn Spears turned heel by attacking him. 

The thing is, face or heel isn't just about whether one particular crowd cheers or boos you. It's about long-term stories and, more importantly, it's about the entire dynamic of a wrestling match. While it's possible to have face vs. face or heel vs. heel matches, the vast majority rely on a face/heel dynamic to function, and if you start changing that up, it's much harder to get invested.

 

16 hours ago, FelatioLips said:

With all due respect neither The Young Bucks or Trent/Chuck have any upside as singles guys and you’re comparing them to the Harts and Bulldogs.

I disagree here, purely on Chuck Taylor. I think he has far more value as a singles guy than he ever has as one of Best Friends.

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5 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

While it's possible to have face vs. face or heel vs. heel matches, the vast majority rely on a face/heel dynamic to function, and if you start changing that up, it's much harder to get invested.

Couldn't agree more. Heel/heel matches can be awful because no one actually wants anyone to win, although you get a rare one where it's just more of a spectacle than anything. Face/face matches can go either way - either you get those hot crowds with the duelling chants and they're really into it, or no one really knows who to support so they end up being absolutely dead for it. I think the idea that there can't be a clear face/heel divide is crazy. It's just down to the booking. 

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52 minutes ago, King Pitcos said:

@JNLister how many actual people make up a 6000 difference in viewership? It’s interesting if it’s just one or two households swinging the win either way.

6,000 people difference, aka two families in Kentucky.

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Nielsen keep the precise numbers under wraps, but as best I can tell one Nielsen viewer "counts" as around 3,000 viewers in the ratings. (100,000 people in homes with meters among around 300 million total viewers.)

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13 hours ago, WyattSheepMask said:

So Total Viewership is considered important this week, there’s a suprise

Why do you care so much? 

Two good shows again. 1.6m people watching wrestling and god knows how many more outside of US Live TV. What is there to cry about?

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I thought AEW was pretty shite this week to be honest. Its settled into this half decent at best wrestling show, which is not what was on the menu when they announced this promotion. That win/loss system has been so poorly thought out and has already ran into trouble. Jungle Boy is 0-10. Yet he's supposedly their next big act. You cant have all these people booking the show. Its the exact thing people bury WWE for. Every segment looks like its been booked by someone completely different.

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21 minutes ago, tiger_rick said:

Why do you care so much? 

Two good shows again. 1.6m people watching wrestling and god knows how many more outside of US Live TV. What is there to cry about?

1.6m watching and one of the two shows contributing to that number would be classed as that company's C show. That's an insane number.

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If anyone seriously still cares that Meltzer might be biased - or on Khan's guestlists - he tore into the product a bit on WOR this week. He wasn't entirely derogatory, but he said Dynamite's too easily getting mired in the kind of garbage that NXT avoids. 

Marathon, not a sprint, but NXT's definitely buzzed off the television more in the last two weeks or so. It even seems louder when it comes on. A lot of the flow of Dynamite seems a bit rudderless. 

Also you've had a few months now to sort out your cues and mixing desks. There's far too much dead air when they're waiting for someone's music to start up each week. 

It's brilliant that NXT's bringing its A game, though. It's fun to compare the two - it's even fun to pick sides within reason - but the whole thing's basically fucking brilliant. 

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Just now, IANdrewDiceClay said:

TNA used to get that on their own. Two major networks showing wrestling, you'd expect more than 1.6 million.

Raw used to get twice and three times as many viewers too. Not to play down TNA's numbers, in hindsight, they're incredible (and what fucking idiots they are to piss that away), but it's a different landscape.

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17 minutes ago, IANdrewDiceClay said:

Its settled into this half decent at best wrestling show, which is not what was on the menu when they announced this promotion. 

I think that's what is disappointing me the most.

If I sit down and actually think about what I like about AEW that I can't get anywhere else, I really struggle. That's not to say that they don't have their positives, and it's great that guys like Jericho and Moxley are out there having the time of their lives, but on the whole it's all feeling very much like I imagine WCW would be like in 2019. Again, that's not necessarily a bad thing to a lot of fans, but it's quite surprising how fast it has fallen into an all too familiar routine.

Basically I do enjoy AEW  from one week to the next but it's not really for the reasons I ever thought I would.

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Do they have a TV deal for a set number of shows, or is it rolling dependent on metrics? I hope it's the former, because a 'season break' would give them a chance to properly assess things and tune things up. Not just the live show production which obviously needs tightening, but also the in ring concepts.

As much as I like the ranking idea, having every match count has diluted what should feel like a race to the top and massively exposed how 50-50 things are with a limited albeit talented roster. They're maintaining and pushing win-loss records, but with no league system, no official divisioning of the roster, and the champion defending against opponents based on angles. There's no end goal or finishing line for the ranked wrestlers, and the audience, to add urgency and a sense of climax to things. Things just roll into each other, just like other wrestling shows, with stats pushed as and when as if it adds an extra dimension to a feud. They need more unranked 'exhibition' matches, with the matches that count being hyped as more important.

At the moment, there are lots of decent ideas but almost all half-baked.

I also think the face vs heel blurred lines are a sad indictment of the attitude of the workers, which is that they seem to be working for themselves rather than the story or long term business. I've mentioned it before on this forum, but Undi's comments about reigning himself in to serve the character and story really hit home with me as an issue I have with a lot of AEW. Sure, they're great athletic matches, but I don't feel I'm missing anything week on week. Kenny might lose three on the trot, but he'll still do the cocky cosplay entrances and go for 20 minutes+ instead of chasing the quick win. There's no development.

On the plus side, the guys must LOVE working with Dustin. It looks like a day off every night, and still a blinder.

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