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1 minute ago, Factotum said:

Remember when non-racist BOJO called black people piccaninnies? What a rationalist.

It gave me a water melon smile, that's for sure.

Don't you just love it when edge lords realise they aren't edgy enough to get banned so they ramp it up in the hope they'll get banned?  You may be cooley but you ain't 6K cooley.

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57 minutes ago, Brewster McCloud said:

Do you honestly think Boris Johnson is a racist? Seriously? 

I don't know if the man is a racist. But I think referring to Muslim women wearing burkas as "looking like letter boxes" demonstrates the type of poor judgement and underlying douchebaggery I don't want near a decision making position.

He also did a 180 on May's deal twice in the last 24 hours (claiming May's deal was a suicide vest for the country, then saying he'll back it when May offers her head, then when he finds out the DUP aren't switching stance, he backs away again), and has been a chief offender since the beginning of Brexit in pointing to that demonstrably bollocks bus talking about we'll save £350 million a week we can spend on our public sector that was proven wrong immediately. He's the worst type of political figure - a guy who's worthless opinion is treated with the same weight as somebody with a fact-based argument, but because a lot of people in the general public have the same approach as him (spouting nonsense they heard at the pub) rather than understand what's really going on, he can speak with a loud voice and has to chance to try and influence others. Every politician has to rally, but a disregard for the truth and the public to progress yourself is different.

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11 hours ago, hallicks said:

TIG is like New Labour, but with less social conscience. Pro-austerity, pro war, etc. Just the usual neoliberal shenanigans - what else could an amalgamation of the labour right and a few ever so slightly less horrible tories be? An actual seismic change would be a genuine alternative like the Greens getting in, who are politically left of Corbyn (who's had to reel in a load of his more "wack" stuff in the name of pragmatism, something he never gets credit for). They're unashamedly socialist, anti nuke, universal basic income etc. 

The TIG don't pretend to be much more than a bunch of neo-Blarites, but the fact is that the MPs that make it up came about because they felt that their home political party was no longer something they could stand with. People will have different views  on them but a seismic change in British politics isn't really about a political party that's well away from the political centre suddenly gaining a governing majority, more than in my view the two party system is broke and that both Labour and the Tories are badly fractured. The only thing keeping the Tories right now from imploding is their collective thirst for power. I'd rather see at least the House of Commons end up becoming more like it is elsewhere in much of Europe where it is unusual for a single party to get an absolute majority to form a government and where the debating chamber can actually accommodate all elected members without the yah-boo childishness. The difference I see in the Daíl Eireann in Dublin and the green benches of the Commons in Westminster is night and day. It may have usually less drama and not have an atmosphere resembling a pantomime compared to Westminster but the Irish parliament is a more effective body in showing representative democracy in action.

P.S. I wouldn't mind seeing the Greens be able to get a more visible presence with more MPs than just Ms. Lucas, but until FPTP is put to the sword and some effective form of PR is used for electing members then bar a godlike turn of events its gonna prove difficult for small parties like the Greens to get breakthroughs beyond the odd popular local MP being elected on a significant personal vote

 

P. P. S. Keith Houchen - Rees Mogg is someone whom is happy to stay at the level he is as an MP more for its privilege than its actual job, but he is still far more qualified to become British Prime Minister than Donald Trump was to become POTUS.

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2 hours ago, PJ Power said:

The TIG don't pretend to be much more than a bunch of neo-Blarites, but the fact is that the MPs that make it up came about because they felt that their home political party was no longer something they could stand with. People will have different views  on them but a seismic change in British politics isn't really about a political party that's well away from the political centre suddenly gaining a governing majority, more than in my view the two party system is broke and that both Labour and the Tories are badly fractured. The only thing keeping the Tories right now from imploding is their collective thirst for power. I'd rather see at least the House of Commons end up becoming more like it is elsewhere in much of Europe where it is unusual for a single party to get an absolute majority to form a government and where the debating chamber can actually accommodate all elected members without the yah-boo childishness. The difference I see in the Daíl Eireann in Dublin and the green benches of the Commons in Westminster is night and day. It may have usually less drama and not have an atmosphere resembling a pantomime compared to Westminster but the Irish parliament is a more effective body in showing representative democracy in action.

P.S. I wouldn't mind seeing the Greens be able to get a more visible presence with more MPs than just Ms. Lucas, but until FPTP is put to the sword and some effective form of PR is used for electing members then bar a godlike turn of events its gonna prove difficult for small parties like the Greens to get breakthroughs beyond the odd popular local MP being elected on a significant personal vote

 

P. P. S. Keith Houchen - Rees Mogg is someone whom is happy to stay at the level he is as an MP more for its privilege than its actual job, but he is still far more qualified to become British Prime Minister than Donald Trump was to become POTUS.

I think the problem is our First Past The Post electoral system, but the only thing the Tories will do about it is move constituency boundaries in an attempt to artificially increase their majority. reduce the cost of politics. Plus these career politicians wouldn't get a thing done as they'd all be too busy trying to protect their own interests. a 2 term run under a different electoral system might see some people actually trying to do things for the good of the country.

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17 hours ago, Liam O'Rourke said:

I don't know if the man is a racist. But I think referring to Muslim women wearing burkas as "looking like letter boxes" demonstrates the type of poor judgement and underlying douchebaggery I don't want near a decision making position.

He also did a 180 on May's deal twice in the last 24 hours (claiming May's deal was a suicide vest for the country, then saying he'll back it when May offers her head, then when he finds out the DUP aren't switching stance, he backs away again), and has been a chief offender since the beginning of Brexit in pointing to that demonstrably bollocks bus talking about we'll save £350 million a week we can spend on our public sector that was proven wrong immediately. He's the worst type of political figure - a guy who's worthless opinion is treated with the same weight as somebody with a fact-based argument, but because a lot of people in the general public have the same approach as him (spouting nonsense they heard at the pub) rather than understand what's really going on, he can speak with a loud voice and has to chance to try and influence others. Every politician has to rally, but a disregard for the truth and the public to progress yourself is different.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't think his lovely white skin and wacky hairstyle makes him better than others. To quote the great man himself:

"[I am] free-market, tolerant, broadly libertarian (though perhaps not ultra-libertarian), inclined to see the merit of traditions, anti-regulation, pro-immigrant, pro-standing on your own two feet, pro-alcohol, pro-hunting, pro-motorist and ready to defend to the death the right of Glenn Hoddle to believe in reincarnation."

So, pretty much on the same page as me, although he has said some silly things and I'm certainly not a fan of his anti-EU stance. Is saying that Muslim women in burkas look like letter boxes really a terrible thing? It's only poor judgment in the sense that certain people get triggered by it, and most followers of Islam that I know have a chuckle about that sort of thing.                    

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9 minutes ago, Brewster McCloud said:

I'm pretty sure he doesn't think his lovely white skin and wacky hairstyle makes him better than others. To quote the great man himself:

"[I am] free-market, tolerant, broadly libertarian (though perhaps not ultra-libertarian), inclined to see the merit of traditions, anti-regulation, pro-immigrant, pro-standing on your own two feet, pro-alcohol, pro-hunting, pro-motorist and ready to defend to the death the right of Glenn Hoddle to believe in reincarnation."

So, pretty much on the same page as me, although he has said some silly things and I'm certainly not a fan of his anti-EU stance. Is saying that Muslim women in burkas look like letter boxes really a terrible thing? It's only poor judgment in the sense that certain people get triggered by it, and most followers of Islam that I know have a chuckle about that sort of thing.                    

I don’t believe you know any followers of Islam. Unless by followers of Islam you mean people who literally follow Muslim people around

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1 minute ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

I don’t believe you know any followers of Islam. Unless by followers of Islam you mean people who literally follow Muslim people around

I live in Indonesia, the most Muslim country in the world. I work and socialise with 'em. My point is that the sort of daft remark that Boris Johnson made really doesn't matter to the people I know whose opinions I respect. 

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