Paid Members tiger_rick Posted December 8, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, LWOLeN said: Iâm convinced that the Woman War Games was well rehearsed. Almost all moves and sequences looked anticipated. There is no âartâ in that. What year did you last watch wrestling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWOLeN Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 hours ago, tiger_rick said: What year did you last watch wrestling? Yeah, you notice it a lot these days. However that Candace Larae Ladder/chair spot was one of the worst of the year. She positioned herself multiple times on the mat below the ladder, grabbed a chair to her side and literally pressed it straight on her chest and laid still waiting for a few seconds.....and it hurt her arm. I hope sheâs ok, but Sweet baby Jesus; I felt so embarrassed watching that phony, stupid sequence. NXT is getting âOverproducedâ and itâs starting to show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, LWOLeN said: NXT is getting âOverproducedâ and itâs starting to show. You get the same shit on all shows. It's not an NXT thing. People clearly moving into place and waiting. Especially those top rope moves that are so contrived with everyone standing in a group outside etc. It's just wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted December 11, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 11, 2020 Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but watching the, âUntold,â Network documentary on the HBK vs Kurt Angle rivalry is an eye-opener. Listening to Johnny Gargano in particular banging on about how he loved both guys, and this was the ultimate dream match, you can really see where the roots of the current NXT style lay. Kurt with all his finisher reversals and kick-outs, Shawn with what Johnny describes as, âShakespeareanâ drama. LOL. This current crop are the purest evolution of the matches Shawn and Kurt had. What a shame. I love Goldberg as much as anyone, but I do wonder what things would be like if he hadnât ended Bret Hartâs career and more of these guys had watched and idolised him instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannibal Man Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 It's been happening in indies for ages that whole RVD/Lynn freeze as prep for doing a spot, Janela does it a lot. I barely notice shit like that when I watch wrestling but any time I stuck PWG on last year he'd be in the undercard and inevitably a few times a match would just freeze in place waiting for things. Fucking madness. Makes sense it'd slip in once they started hoovering indies up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Maestro Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I don't get the knocks against War Games at all. I thought it was a great event with only the strap match being a slight drag. The rest was an absolute blast and Pat McAfee is slowly cementing himself as the greatest non wrestler wrestler ever. Fucking love that bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TildeGuy~! Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I watched both and didnât enjoy them, thought Shotzi was terrible in everything she did. Iâm well aware that Wargames requires 2 rings but all competitors in both matches just stayed in the 1 ring for practically the whole thing which made it pretty pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uklaw Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 If true, might be one to kept an eye out for: https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/12/exclusive-triple-h-creates-team-for-new-wwe-nxt-show-678143/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lorne Malvo Posted December 18, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 18, 2020 Just what they need, another brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Your Fight Site Posted December 18, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 18, 2020 So âNXT as we knew it, and not NXT the AEW competitorâ? Iâm on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsurutagun Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, uklaw said: If true, might be one to kept an eye out for: https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/12/exclusive-triple-h-creates-team-for-new-wwe-nxt-show-678143/ The odds it runs against the new AEW show whenever that starts? Edited December 18, 2020 by Tsurutagun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted December 18, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Tsurutagun said: The odds it runs against the new AEW show whenever that starts? Almost 100%. A development brand for a development brand, Jesus fucking Christ. At what point do you admit the NXT project is a failure? NXT hasn't produced the stars that the OVW or FCW systems used to and the quality of guys coming through has been steadily getting worse over the past few years. Maybe it's time they tried something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cutting Edge Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 I wouldn't say NXT has failed making new stars, I think part of the problem is WWE did use top guys of the time to "make" the new ones. Proper feuds and eventual wins Cena, Orton, Taker, Trips and select guys like Balor, KO, Aleister or whoever they wanted to be the next main crop, "steel sharpens steel" but the time has passed and now it's hard to define mid card and main event. Other factors too ofcourse like going against AEW and changing what made them successful in first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted December 19, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, The Cutting Edge said: I wouldn't say NXT has failed making new stars, I think part of the problem is WWE did use top guys of the time to "make" the new ones. Proper feuds and eventual wins Cena, Orton, Taker, Trips and select guys like Balor, KO, Aleister or whoever they wanted to be the next main crop, "steel sharpens steel" but the time has passed and now it's hard to define mid card and main event. Other factors too ofcourse like going against AEW and changing what made them successful in first place. If you're countering the point made then they weren't successful in the first place, and it has nothing to do with AEW. There's no question that NXT is worthwhile. The performance centre is too. They need both to help them find, groom and prepare new talent. Lots of talent have come through and been a worthwhile addition to the company which can't survive without new talent. The questions are whether it's any better than what they had before and whether the current process has made genuine top level stars. I can't see any argument for it. When you look at the guys who've been top for the past 5 years (and even if we pretend that the real stars aren't still the likes of Lesnar, Cena, Goldberg, Undertaker, HHH and Shawn Michaels who vary between three matches a year and one match every three years and are presented as being better than everyone else) they all pre-date NXT, came in from outside or where there, left and came back. I think the only product of the current system to have been a top guy is Braun Strowman who could have been a star but really isn't. You could argue Kevin Owens too, and I wouldn't disagree too much except that he's the same as Strowman. He's held a big belt but he's not a star. The only star they've made isn't a man, it's Becky Lynch. And they couldn't get the best out of that either. Their entire approach needs to change. Especially now NXT is a "third brand". More people are seeing these guys in NXT. Which means that their TV life is even longer than the 3 million hours most guys on the roster already have run up and their are more people seeing the complete change in approach between NXT and Raw. The biggest problem they have is how they present guys week to week on their main TV. That's the be all and end all. That's what's killing them and all their prospects. They can't book a babyface star to save their lives. Talented guys like Bryan and Reigns entertain being a heel and the 6 people who still watch get a bit wet but it doesn't solve their problem. But even then, when you look through NXT, does anyone see guys who even look like prospects? Keith Lee was the one, and now he's ordinary. What's left? Talented but small guys and big old guys, many with terrible gimmicks. I'm entertained by lots of guys. I love Pete Dunne for instance. But it has to be in small doses because there's no entertainment to be had in watching them week in, week out. That used to be a main roster problem. Now it's everywhere. Edited December 19, 2020 by tiger_rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cutting Edge Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Yeah I don't think I worded that well Kinda what I meant is they've made guys get to a level but not that level, Balor, Owens etc are mid-upper card which might be there ceiling. And now it's up to Roman, Seth, Orton to make guys without weakening themselves.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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