hallicks Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 During the invasion, what was the creative/reasoning/logic behind Angle winning the WWF title from Austin only to drop it back 2 weeks later? Was it just for something to do because they had no ideas? Were they aware how much the wheels had fallen off and were just doing any old shit? Only because I was thinking how big of an in-ring celebration Angle got with Undertaker there and everything, it just seems a bit…pointless to then give it back 2 weeks later, so I’m wondering if maybe there was something political going on with Austin at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Land Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, hallicks said: During the invasion, what was the creative/reasoning/logic behind Angle winning the WWF title from Austin only to drop it back 2 weeks later? Was it just for something to do because they had no ideas? Were they aware how much the wheels had fallen off and were just doing any old shit? Only because I was thinking how big of an in-ring celebration Angle got with Undertaker there and everything, it just seems a bit…pointless to then give it back 2 weeks later, so I’m wondering if maybe there was something political going on with Austin at the time. Unless i'm missing something. It was just after 9/11. Just after 9/11. Kurt was an American poster boy in his hometown. It was a feel good story. Edited August 3, 2022 by Infinity Land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallicks Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Infinity Land said: Unless i'm missing something. It was just after 9/11. That’s it - ludicrously uncomplicated for a ludicrously complicated question! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro_y Disco Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Did the guy who sang BA Billy Gunn and Eric Bischoff's WWE themes also do the Deadly Games theme? What's his name? Has he done anything else of note? Ta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshC Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 When Mr. Perfect came back in November 1992... was that on the cards *before* Warrior went and they needed a replacement for Survivor Series? I've never heard anything about him being primed for an in-ring return, but he must have been ready, or they wouldn't have chucked him in. Was the Lloyd's of London policy thing an issue and he was good-to-go but claiming, until McMahon made him a better offer to wrestle? What was the rough plan if he didn't replace Warrior? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted August 4, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted August 4, 2022 I would imagine Bret Hart would have been pulling double duty that night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted August 4, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted August 4, 2022 4 hours ago, AshC said: When Mr. Perfect came back in November 1992... was that on the cards *before* Warrior went and they needed a replacement for Survivor Series? No, it was not. They absolutely shit themselves and it derailed their plans massively for the ongoing Warrior/Flair title run and planned Warrior vs Razor feud. Mind you, they did some finishes to Savage/Flair title matches right after Mania VIII (including unused filmed ones at TV) where Macho Man pinned Slick Ric after intercepting knucks thrown by Perfect, and Perfect and Flair had a big argument afterwards. After the European tour they switched to non-finishes then later small package pinfalls, but some thought went into a dissent storyline months before Warrior necessitated it. 1 hour ago, bAzTNM#1 said: I would imagine Bret Hart would have been pulling double duty that night. When it broke that Flair/Warrior was off and Bret won the title, Meltzer put in the Observer that it was possible Hart would replace Warrior in the tag main as he had on the road. Whether or not the Shawn match would have still happened is questionable, with the Warrior run getting dropped two weeks before Shawn relieved Bulldog of the ICT and with a card still announced that was subject to multiple changes including the main, Bret vs Shawn involving no titles, Bulldog vs Mountie for the ICT when BOTH would be gone shortly, and changes to the tag eliminator. Given that they had Marty Jannetty in the building the night before Shawn went over Smithers, I think it’s possible that with a new main of Savage & Bret vs Flair and Razor on top, they had chance to quietly forget about Bret vs Shawn and hotshot the first Shawn/Marty match at Survivors instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Tommy! Posted August 4, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted August 4, 2022 12 hours ago, AshC said: Was the Lloyd's of London policy thing an issue and he was good-to-go but claiming, until McMahon made him a better offer to wrestle? Apparently Bruce Pritchard fucked that up for perfect in 96/97. Negotiating about a possible in ring return he allegedly went to Lloyd's and told them they were in talks, so Lloyd's said that by starting negotiations perfect must be capable and withdrew the claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted August 4, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted August 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tommy! said: Apparently Bruce Pritchard fucked that up for perfect in 96/97. Negotiating about a possible in ring return he allegedly went to Lloyd's and told them they were in talks, so Lloyd's said that by starting negotiations perfect must be capable and withdrew the claim. This is why Perfect flounced right before Survivor Series 96. Curt's record of either leaving or coming back around that PPV was impressive between 92 and 96, wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted August 4, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted August 4, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tommy! said: Apparently Bruce Pritchard fucked that up for perfect in 96/97. Negotiating about a possible in ring return he allegedly went to Lloyd's and told them they were in talks, so Lloyd's said that by starting negotiations perfect must be capable and withdrew the claim. He was supposedly doing that to piss off Hennig for negotiating with WCW behind their back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Land Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Why didn't WCW run Canada more? Especially once Nitro had started up and they had a lot of ex-WWF guys that would have been popular and they had a clutch of Canadians on the roster. Looking at cagematch the UK and Germany each had more shows thanks to their tours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonworden Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Infinity Land said: Why didn't WCW run Canada more? Especially once Nitro had started up and they had a lot of ex-WWF guys that would have been popular and they had a clutch of Canadians on the roster. Looking at cagematch the UK and Germany each had more shows thanks to their tours. Might get corrected but if I recall right basically domestic business was so hot that they didn't see the need to go overseas much/ if at all during those periods. Until 98 WWF probably needed the international show money more as a private company struggling and also likely had more contracts / good faith to spread with broadcasters and other companies overseas. Taking the UK as an example I would guess WWF got paid a lot more for prime showings on Sky over WCW being shown on either turner channels, before porn on scrambled German channels or later on Bravo.  That being said I'm applying logic to a company that at times used very little so could just be "I dunno". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted August 27, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted August 27, 2022 There were still plenty of venues in the 90s in “traditionally WWF” areas where they’d never booked so didn’t have an “in” or experience promoting to the area, and to be blunt a fair few where there was the unwritten threat of “book them, and we won’t be back” from the WWF. Unwritten because to make it explicit would be illegal, but it’s exactly the kind of thing Carl De Marco was very good at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Healys Chutney Spoon Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Very basic and probably an obvious one, but why does Bryan Danielson use the heel entrance when the rest of BCC use the face entrance on AEW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Some Guy Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 I've been obsessed with the face/heel tunnels since Dynamite started. I think the Cody's ethos of not having a clear divide between heroes and villans is being demonstrated here. Danielson (& Regal) is a heel who is loved by the fans. Yuta is a genuine babyface. I've always thought of Mox as a tweener just because he doesn't use either tunnel. I'm probably over thinking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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