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NXT have been really closing the gap, week on week, even before the invasion. Quite unusual on the surface, really, since it would seem less word of mouth. Looks like WWE's casual TV audience have taken a few weeks to dip into it. The ratings for both shows combined are about the same as Raw's third hour, now. Seems like the cap for dedicated wrestling viewership through the medium for now. 

I do hope AEW manage to keep them edged out. It mightn't matter for much in the long run, and you can call it childish, but it does seem like there's a good and bad outcome here. And an arm of WWE not winning is surely the more exciting of the two. 

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4 minutes ago, The King Of Swing said:

To be honest as long as AEW does well enough to stay on the air I don't particularly care.

Yeah, you're right. If they stay at the precise point they're at now for the next ten years, keep the network happy, keep doing houses on the road and remain financially viable and attractive enough to output at their current level and attract talent then I'm made up. 

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The key is that no matter what the overall rating, AEW does really well amongst younger viewers which is very important to TNT, and long term - the whole industry.

I'm sure that neither overall rating is what either side want but combined, it's very decent these days. It's a shame they insisted on splitting the audience but that's Vince 101.

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You have to wonder - if NXT wasn't there to counter program, how many of the 800,000 or so would watch AEW. Because if it WAS all of them, not saying it would be, but if it was, that's coming awful close to Raw numbers.

Incredible go home show, by the way, to state the obvious, and the Countdown show was terrific as well. Makes me sad when such a high quality output isn't gaining more traction, hopefully in time...

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In the grand scheme of things, we are still very very very very early days for both AEW and NXT TV - AEW especially. The key factors are two fold really:

1) Being able to sustain a quality product for a longer period of time - NXT has a proven track record of being able to reinvent itself with new stars etc, while AEW has done well in the short term. It'll take time for them to really get out there, and it relates to point 2..

2) The industry as a whole. While there are more options than ever, it's obviously in a down period especially in relation to the mainstream etc. It's very difficult to obtain to casuals at the moment because interest is waning. It'll likely come back in time, and perhaps AEW could be the catalyst for change but it's not an overnight thing.

What AEW needs to do is survive. They were never going to win a war or even have a HUGE impact right off the bat. It's an industry that is so 'WWE' for many years now that it's a real challenge to change that perception. Can it be done? Maybe. Is it something AEW should be looking to do? I'm not sure what their fight should be really. I think at the moment the sensible thing is to find their footing, see what works and what doesn't, and just provide a consistently good show that offers something a little different. That's what they're doing right now and they need to stick to their guns and ride out the first few months/years.

For what it's worth, I've been very impressed by both NXT and AEW since they went to TV and I'm loving having both to watch every week.

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13 hours ago, The King Of Swing said:

After DDT Ultimate Party I'm convinced that Japan is the only place he looks the star he's portrayed as.

 

Agreed.

I always hear 'He was huge in Japan!!' - Yeah, so were The Nolans, so....
 

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The difference between Kenny in Japan and Kenny in AEW, is that in Japan he had all his bad habits reigned in, or at least under moderation, by the bookers.

In AEW, he's been given the freedom to just do as he pleases and it's meant all his negatives are there for all to see. The Kenny Omega we saw chasing for the IWGP title and grueling G1 performances in New Japan is vastly different from the flippant, self-indulgent Kenny Omega we see in AEW.

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1 hour ago, Snitsky's back acne said:

Agreed.

I always hear 'He was huge in Japan!!' - Yeah, so were The Nolans, so....
 

as Accident Prone said, had you watched those matches you would understand the rave reviews. He has been disappointing in AEW and I think, or rather hope, the reason for this is because it's been planned as this slow heel turn. He's not been turning up, he hasn't been getting the results, he hasn't as been as important or integrual as the rest of The Elite have been. And I wonder if this is all part of the masterplan for him to turn his back on them for not having his back.

Or they have let him do what he wants and actually without a filter, he is just bang average.

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I think it's also a difference in which audiences he's playing to. He's on a different stage than he's ever been on, after all. At the moment, if he was doing long, grueling matches with everyone, it wouldn't work either - that'd just make him seem less of a star too, because they don't have many stars yet that he can work with, and he's coming in as more of a star. He's also in his first big feud, and it's opposite a tweener who everyone wants to cheer.

For what it's worth, I couldn't stand Omega for a while after I started watching him. To the point where I found him outright off-putting. But the video and twitter thread someone did a little while ago that explained the Kenny/Ibushi love story turned me around on him, and I gave him more of a chance - and that coincided with a great run in NJPW that also made me a fan of Okada.

I'm liking him in AEW, but I came in liking him, so he already feels like a big star to me. One slow-burn thing they seem to be doing (which I really like) is that losses really, really bother him. He dwells on them, they annoy him - and that's not a story I've seen done like this. They've done the set-up, and once he got a decent win or two, he was fine again - but that feels like something they'll go back to.

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5 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

as Accident Prone said, had you watched those matches you would understand the rave reviews. He has been disappointing in AEW and I think, or rather hope, the reason for this is because it's been planned as this slow heel turn. He's not been turning up, he hasn't been getting the results, he hasn't as been as important or integrual as the rest of The Elite have been. And I wonder if this is all part of the masterplan for him to turn his back on them for not having his back.

Or they have let him do what he wants and actually without a filter, he is just bang average.

I think that last point is spot on. I've no doubt he came across like a star in Japan but away from that environment he has been horribly exposed.

A lot of wrestlers looked great in ECW because Heyman was so good at hiding their flaws. Outside of that environment those same wrestlers were pretty naff.
Russo looked like a creative genius in WWE because he had McMahon as a filter. Outside of that environment he was exposed as being shit.
Omega looked great in Japan - likely due to who he worked and how he was booked and, as has been said, what he was/was not allowed to do. Outside of that he has shown himself to be a decent enough modern style wrestler but nothing more. He is certainly not this huge megastar that Meltzer and others hyped him up to be.

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Just now, Snitsky's back acne said:

I think that last point is spot on. I've no doubt he came across like a star in Japan but away from that environment he has been horribly exposed.

A lot of wrestlers looked great in ECW because Heyman was so good at hiding their flaws. Outside of that environment those same wrestlers were pretty naff.
Russo looked like a creative genius in WWE because he had McMahon as a filter. Outside of that environment he was exposed as being shit.
Omega looked great in Japan - likely due to who he worked and how he was booked and, as has been said, what he was/was not allowed to do. Outside of that he has shown himself to be a decent enough modern style wrestler but nothing more. He is certainly not this huge megastar that Meltzer and others hyped him up to be.

Oh aye, we definitely have not seen the headliner Kenny Omega in AEW. Everyone is suggesting a MJF turn on Cody, but that is too obvious. I would love it to be Kenny and that is what I am hoping this has been leading up to.Remember, AEW was launched without Omega. He only joined in the February when it had been launched on the 1st January. Yes, we know why, but he could definetly play up to that. For his mates to not wait for him to be available etc.

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To be fair, Accident Prone's earlier point of him being reigned in in NJPW and not in AEW rings particularly true because it's the case with a lot of things in AEW at the moment. From what I understand (I haven't been able to keep up with every episode yet), there's a lot of over-use of similar spots in different matches, particularly the Tope Suicida. They really need to start restricting their performers at least a little. They don't have to go full-on WWE with it, there's plenty of middle ground, but they need to start putting their talent's ideas through a filter. Jericho's smashing it and clearly enjoying himself, but he's massively experienced, so chances are he knows what he's doing, and won't need that much reigning in. Same goes for Cody to a lesser degree (that throne-smashing should've been nixed). And I daresay that Dustin would be the same.

Everyone else on the roster, though - I don't know what the road agent situation is, but they either need to change him up if he's crap, give him more authority if he's good, or get one in if they don't have one.

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7 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

Oh aye, we definitely have not seen the headliner Kenny Omega in AEW.

That actually brings up an interesting point - I wonder how he's going down with fans that don't give a shit about Meltzer. This is obviously getting a bunch of new people watching, who won't have seen Omega before. From a fresh perspective, rather than 'best bout machine', I wonder how he's coming across.

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