Paid Members Supremo Posted October 2, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) It’ll always be incredible how they somehow managed to water down the draft to the point where it lost all sense of excitement or interest. Remember the buzz it used to have? Feels like forever ago. And yet they still promote it as if it’s some crazy, mad event. “The wait is over! The time is now! Here are Sonya and Adam to calmly read some names, most of which are people just staying on the show they’re already on.” Overall not a bad show though. Whilst the quality might vary, all main roster shows have had a completely different energy and a very obvious attempt to at least try different things ever since AEW caught fire. Everything feels tighter and as if some proper effort has gone into it. That Seth Rollins thing was the perfect example. Eight weeks ago he would have threatened to go to Edge’s house without actually doing it. They’d lazily talk about it but then just do another seventeen minute tag match instead. It was great that they actually delivered! Not that Seth had the chops to carry such a segment, mind. It was a great idea, with loads of potential, it should’ve been proper creepy and horrible, but Seth ruined it by being Seth. I’d love to know when he decided endlessly cackling constituted being a good heel. Kevin Dunn trying to help his performance by randomly pressing the massive, “BOO!” button didn’t help, either. Almost no reaction at all, then this ridiculous, massive, thunderous, “BOOOOOOO!” when Seth sips some orange juice. Hilarious. Brock remains the best. Everything he does is amazing. It’s a shame Roman vs. Brock is happening on a weird non-canon blood money show because there’s magic in them facing off with this new dynamic. Smiley babyface Brock who still murders everyone has the potential to be the greatest babyface in forever. I wonder if they’ll eventually do the double turn? You can hear the crowd are ready to cheer Roman. It must be tempting for them to finally get what they’ve always wanted. I hope they do the right thing and let Xavier Woods win King of the Ring. Not only is he always talking about how much he loves it, but he’d be one of the few people who I think could make the gimmick work no matter what. Kevin Owens is a man who’s handed his notice in, isn’t he? Real Dean-Ambrose-at-the-end energy. He’ll probably lose to Nia Jax within weeks. January is going to be wild when he jumps. Edited October 2, 2021 by Supremo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wideload90 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Never have the energy to watch a show but highlights on social media from country boy Brock Lesnar show why he's head and shoulders above the rest. His Hardy interruption was superb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted October 2, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted October 2, 2021 The most heelish thing Seth did in Edge’s home was live the fridge door open for far too long. Disgusting. Nice to see Beth cares so much about Smackdown and her husband that she decides to do the Friday Big Shop during it. Edge also reacting like Michael Myers was in the house and not someone Beth Phoenix could have probably taken out herself shows me why Edge never got above direct to dvd films. Ouch. Other then Brock being amazing and having the scariest wink in the world, everything else was very meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awards Moderator HarmonicGenerator Posted October 2, 2021 Awards Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2021 You can always rely on a Draft episode… Kofi is now three wins ahead after an eight man tag that looks remarkably similar to an eight man tag that happened a year ago. Spoiler Kofi Kingston 32-29 Dolph Ziggler (7 additional non-finishes)  DOLPH ZIGGLER VS. KOFI KINGSTON: THE COMPLETE SAGA  (according to Online World Of Wrestling)    1. October 2, 2009 – A Decade of SmackDown: Mike “The Miz” Mizanin and Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston and John Morrison.  2. November 23, 2009 – RAW: Kofi Kingston (RAW) defeated Dolph Ziggler (SmackDown) in a Breakthrough Battle Royal Qualifier  3. March 26, 2010 – WWE SmackDown: SmackDown w/ Dolph defeated RAW w/ Kofi in a Money in the Bank Preview 10-Man Tag Team Match  4. March 28, 2010 – WrestleMania 26: Jack Swagger won the 10-Man Money in the Bank Ladder match to earn a title shot any time  5. May 7, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in an Intercontinental Title Tournament Semi-Final Match.  6. June 25, 2010 – SmackDown: Christian and MVP and Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler and Vance Archer and Curt Hawkins.  7. July 2, 2010 – SmackDown: WWE Intercontinental champion Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero.  8. July 18, 2010 – Money in the Bank: Kane won the SD! Money in the Bank Ladder match to earn a World Heavyweight title match.  9. July 23, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Kofi Kingston in a Non-title match  10. July 30, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Kofi Kingston by disqualification  11. August 6, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero defeated Kofi Kingston to win the WWE Intercontinental title  12. August 15, 2010 – SummerSlam: WWE Intercontinental champion Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero vs. Kofi Kingston ended in a No Contest  13. August 20, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler by disqualification when Vickie Guerrero pushed Kofi off the top rope  14. August 27, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero by countout  15. September 10, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston and Chris Masters defeated Dolph Ziggler and Chavo Guerrero (w/Vickie and Kaitlyn)  16. September 19, 2010 – Night of Champions: Dolph Ziggler (w/Vickie Guerrero and Kaitlyn) defeated Kori Kingston to retain the WWE Intercontinental title  17. December 13, 2010 – The Slammy Awards: Kofi Kingston and Daniel Bryan defeated Dolph Ziggler (w/Vickie) and Ted DiBiase (w/Maryse)  18. December 10, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated WWE Intercontinental champion Dolph Ziggler by disqualification after interference by Jack Swagger  19. December 17, 2010 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston and Kaval defeated Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero  20. December 18, 2010 – WWE Tribute to the Troops: Kofi Kingston and The Big Show defeated Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler  21. December 19, 2010 – TLC PPV: Dolph Ziggler beat Kofi Kingston and Jack Swagger in a 3-WAY Ladder Match to retain the WWE Intercontinental title  22. December 31, 2010 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero beat Kofi Kingston and Jack Swagger in a 3-WAY to retain the Intercontinental title  23. January 7, 2011 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler w/Vickie Guerrero to win the WWE Intercontinental title  24. Vickie Guerrero booked an immediate rematch; Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler to retain the WWE Intercontinental title  25. May 30, 2011 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated U.S. Champion Kofi Kingston in a non-title match  26. June 13, 2011 – RAW: U.S. Champion Kofi Kingston and Evan Bourne defeated Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger  27. June 19, 2011 – WWE Capitol Punishment: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston by submission to win the United States title  28. June 20, 2011 – RAW: Kofi Kingston defeated WWE United States champion Dolph Ziggler by disqualification in a 2/3 Falls Match  29. June 27, 2011 – RAW: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in a Non-title Players Choice Match with Vickie banned  30. October 3, 2011 – RAW: John Cena, CM Punk, Sheamus, Kofi Kingston, Mason Ryan and Evan Bourne defeated Alberto Del Rio, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, Cody Rhodes, Christian and David Otunga.  31. October 7, 2011 – SmackDown: U.S. Champion Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger defeated WWE Tag Team Champions Kofi Kingston and Evan Bourne in a non-title match  32. October 10, 2011 – RAW: Kofi Kingston, Evan Bourne and Mason Ryan defeated David Otunga, Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger  33. October 14, 2011 – SmackDown: Kofi Kingston and Zack Ryder defeated U.S. Champion Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger  34. February 6, 2012 – RAW: Chris Jericho defeated WWE Champion CM Punk, Dolph Ziggler, The Miz, R-Truth and Kofi Kingston in a 6 pack non-title match  35. February 19, 2012 – Elimination Chamber: WWE Champion CM Punk defeated Dolph Ziggler, Chris Jericho, The Miz, R-Truth, Kofi Kingston in the elimination chamber match to retain the title.  36. February 21, 2012 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger defeated Kofi Kingston and R-Truth  37. February 27, 2012 – RAW: WWE Tag Team Champions Epico and Primo Colon defeated Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger and Kofi Kingston and R-Truth in a 3-way tag team match to retain the titles  38. March 19, 2012 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger defeated R-Truth and Kofi Kingston  39. April 1, 2012 – Wrestlemania 28: Team Johnny (Mark Henry, David Otunga, Dolph Ziggler, Christian, The Miz, and Jack Swagger) defeated Team Teddy (Santino Marella, Kofi Kingston, R-Tuth, Zack Ryder, Great Khali, and Booker T) to give John Laurinaitis full control of WWE television  40. May 7, 2012 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.  41. May 14, 2012 – RAW: WWE Tag Team Champions R-Truth and Kofi Kingston and Brodus Clay defeated The Miz, Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger  42. May 20, 2012 – Over The Limit: WWE Tag Team Champions Kofi Kingston and R-Truth defeated Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger to retain the titles  43. May 28, 2012 – RAW: WTC Kofi Kingston and R-Truth defeated Jack Swagger and Dolph Ziggler to retain  44. September 24, 2012 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston by pin fall. Before the match both R-Truth and Vickie Guerrero were sent to the back  45. September 27, 2012 - Superstars: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.  46. November 12, 2012 – RAW: Alberto Del Rio and Dolph Ziggler defeated I.C. Champion Kofi Kingston and Randy Orton  47. November 18, 2012 – Survivor Series: Alberto Del Rio, Damien Sandow, David Otunga, Dolph Ziggler, and Wade Barrett defeated Kane, Daniel Bryan, Kofi Kingston, The Miz, and Randy Orton in the traditional Survivor Series match. Dolph Ziggler was the sole survivor.  48. February 17, 2013 – Elimination Chamber: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston  49. March 18, 2013 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.  50. March 22, 2013 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston  51. April 29, 2013 – RAW: WWE world heavyweight champion Dolph Ziggler defeated WWE United States champion Kofi Kingston in a non-title match  52. June 29, 2014 – Money in the Bank: Seth Rollins defeated Dean Ambrose, Jack Swagger, Rob Van Dam, Kofi Kingston, and Dolph Ziggler in a “Money in the Bank” ladder match to win the championship contract  53. June 1, 2015 – RAW: Dolph Ziggler defeated Kofi Kingston.  54. June 14, 2015 – Money in the Bank: Sheamus defeated Roman Reigns, Randy Orton, Neville, Kane, Dolph Ziggler, and Kofi Kingston in a “Money in a Bank” ladder match  55. September 21, 2015 – RAW: WWE tag team champions the New Day and Rusev defeated Dolph Ziggler and the Dudley Boyz in a 6-man tag team match  56. January 7, 2016 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler, Neville, Goldust, and R-Truth defeated The Miz and the WWE tag team champions the New Day in an 8-man tag team match  57. January 21, 2016 – SmackDown: Dolph Ziggler and the Usos defeated WWE tag team champions the New Day in a 6-man tag team match  58. January 28, 2016 – SmackDown: The Usos, Dolph Ziggler, and Titus O’Neil defeated WWE tag team champions the New Day and the Miz in an 8-man tag team match  59. June 7, 2019 – WWE Super ShowDown: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler to retain the WWE title  60. June 11, 2019 – SmackDown Live: The New Day defeated Dolph Ziggler, Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn  61. June 23, 2019 - WWE Stomping Grounds: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in a Steel Cage match to retain the WWE title  62. June 25, 2019 - SmackDown Live: Kofi Kingston defeated Dolph Ziggler in a Two Out Of Three Falls match to retain the WWE title  63. October 25, 2019 - SmackDown Live: Dolph Ziggler & Robert Roode defeated Kofi Kingston & Big E.  64. December 13, 2019 - SmackDown: Kofi Kingston & Big E defeated Dolph Ziggler & King Corbin by DQ.  65. February 21, 2020 - SmackDown: The Usos & The New Day def. The Miz, John Morrison, Dolph Ziggler & Robert Roode.  66. October 12, 2020 - Raw: Tag team champions The New Day def. Dolph Ziggler & Robert Roode.  67. November 20, 2020 - SmackDown: The New Day & The Street Profits def. Robert Roode, Dolph Ziggler, King Corbin & Sami Zayn.  68. October 1, 2021 - SmackDown: The New Day & The Street Profits def. 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Shane O' Mac Version 2 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Best thing about the Edge/Seth segment was a sly nod to FTR, when Edge said "David & Daniel" were on their way (Dax & Cash's real names). Always enjoy when those little things sneak their way in. Like Daniel Bryan sneaking in a "List of Jericho" reference earlier in the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Losing Bianca and getting Charlotte is the most upsetting thing. Excited for Hit Row though. One of the highlights of NXT recently. Hope they get a good shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Phew. Apollo can resume his Big E feud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollthedice Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 5 hours ago, DavidB6937 said: Losing Bianca and getting Charlotte is the most upsetting thing. They'll probably draft Charlotte back on Monday. I don't follow sports so no idea how drafts work there but why do WWE announce the people who are staying on the same brand? Surely just announce the ones who move and obviously those who don't get mentioned stay where they are. Why did Rhea/Nikki get drafted? Aren't the women's tag belts defended across both shows? Anyway, I'm glad Reigns and E are staying where they are and presumably will face off at Survivor Series. I could see them switching the US and IC titles. Has Nakamura ever been on Raw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP RULZ Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 45 minutes ago, rollthedice said: They'll probably draft Charlotte back on Monday. I don't follow sports so no idea how drafts work there but why do WWE announce the people who are staying on the same brand? Surely just announce the ones who move and obviously those who don't get mentioned stay where they are. Why did Rhea/Nikki get drafted? Aren't the women's tag belts defended across both shows? Anyway, I'm glad Reigns and E are staying where they are and presumably will face off at Survivor Series. I could see them switching the US and IC titles. Has Nakamura ever been on Raw? The WWE draft is nothing like a normal US sports draft where the talent pool is college players and each team picks a player, generally its the team with the worst record in the previous season who picks 1st and then the next worst etc until the championship winner picks last and then 2nd round its back to the worst team again to go 1st Drafts back in the original brand split where just random picks of wrestlers so then there was no need to draft everyone but now they announce every pick as every superstar is in the pool available for selection (well half were available on Smackdown with the other half available on Monday) so everyone will get picked its just that some will get picked by the same brand they are already on. Thats why Charlotte cant be drafted back to Raw as she wont be in the Pool to be taken (well they could find a way around it and trade but its probably more likely Becky goes to Raw and they do a crappy belt swap like they did last year with the tag titles) Rhea and Nikki were drafted as when they lose the belts they would still need a brand to be on. I wouldn't be surprised to see the US and IC titles switch either but with Apollo on Raw now i'd fear heading towards more Apollo v Nakamura matches within a couple of months. Though I think your right that he has never been a Raw guy as yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsurutagun Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Relying on written reports at the moment. I have one question. Why does Sonya Deville dislike Naomi in storyline? Has it actually been explained? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted October 3, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted October 3, 2021 17 hours ago, Tsurutagun said: Relying on written reports at the moment. I have one question. Why does Sonya Deville dislike Naomi in storyline? Has it actually been explained? Yes. It’s been an ongoing story for weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said: Yes. It’s been an ongoing story for weeks But has there actually been a reason given for why she's so shitty towards Naomi? I can't think of one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted October 3, 2021 Paid Members Share Posted October 3, 2021 28 minutes ago, DavidB6937 said: But has there actually been a reason given for why she's so shitty towards Naomi? I can't think of one. She came in demanding matches and just being rude to an authority figure. No real history I’m aware of. Just crap writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew "the ref" coyne Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, Hannibal Scorch said: She came in demanding matches and just being rude to an authority figure. No real history I’m aware of. Just crap writing. Her "fued" with Liv Morgan was worse. Just kept blatantly excluding her from MITB. They built Morgan as a deserving entrant who was constantly screwed getting in whilst Deville's heel mates (who they never really showed being matey on the show) getting in without having to qualify. Then she just gave it to her right at the end anyway. With zero follow up since :S It's not even that difficult. Just show her being bessie mates with the heels and look down at the plucky underdogs. Hell with a little bit of long term booking you could turn this into a half decent Survivor Series match. Deville's Mates vs Deville's Enemies. Edited October 4, 2021 by andrew "the ref" coyne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew "the ref" coyne Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) Fuck sake. You can tell I've turned 40. Edited October 4, 2021 by andrew "the ref" coyne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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