Paid Members quote the raven Posted January 31, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Dead Mike said: No, I'm claiming he did it to try & appease his backbenchers as at the time he had no intention of holding a referendum. The EU's response meant he either had to - A. Admit that the UK could've restricted EU immigration all along but it was a Tory policy choice to not B. That there was no 'health tourism' by EU nationals using the NHS as we could claim all costs back from host countries but we didn't as it's Tory policy not to. Neither were ever going to happen. Given your proven inability to understand the above this seems apt. 2015 He wins election ,Conservatives had promised a referendum by 2017 20 Feb 2016 he goes to EU for concessions After the deal had been approved, Cameron described it as giving the United Kingdom "special status within the European Union" and immediately declared that both he and the UK Government would campaign for a Remain vote in the referendum within a "reformed European Union". The following day, after a special meeting of the cabinet, Cameron announced that the in-out referendum would be held on 23 June 2016 under the provisions of the European Union Referendum Act 2015 which had already been agreed by the UK Parliament. What backbenches was he trying to appease and to what end? He was trying to get enough to take to the people to win hes argument. Edited January 31, 2020 by quote the raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted January 31, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted January 31, 2020 44 minutes ago, David said: Once Brexit goes through and we can slam shut the doors to the Chinese it'll hopefully keep us out of this coronavirus carry on. I have seen a few people on social media say they will no longer have a Chinese Takeaway for fear of getting the Coronavirus has been amazing to see. 4 minutes ago, quote the raven said: 2015 He wins election ,Conservatives had promised a referendum by 2017 20 Feb 2016 he goes to EU for concessions After the deal had been approved, Cameron described it as giving the United Kingdom "special status within the European Union" and immediately declared that both he and the UK Government would campaign for a Remain vote in the referendum within a "reformed European Union". The following day, after a special meeting of the cabinet, Cameron announced that the in-out referendum would be held on 23 June 2016 under the provisions of the European Union Referendum Act 2015 which had already been agreed by the UK Parliament. What backbenches was he trying to appease and to what end? He was trying to get enough to take to the people to win hes argument. Regardless, Cameron went in for this believing Remain would win. Which is why he promised to remain PM. This was all about his ego, which is why when Leave won, he left within hours because he knew he had fucked up and wanted no more part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porkchopcash Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I find quite a high percentge of the people who voted remain can be very aggressive towards those who voted leave. And throwing about terms like “racist” and “stupid” does not do their cause any good. Just makes them seem bitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallicks Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Just now, Porkchopcash said: I find quite a high percentge of the people who voted remain can be very aggressive towards those who voted leave. And throwing about terms like “racist” and “stupid” does not do their cause any good. Just makes them seem bitter. Whats going to improve once we've left, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Brexit can get in the bin. Do you know what else can get in the bin? “Comedians” making “funny” songs about Brexit. Cunts, every one of them. Twitter is more of a fucking mess than usual today with everyone trying to get themselves over with a bit about Brexit. Shutting the fuck up is completely free still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porkchopcash Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, hallicks said: Whats going to improve once we've left, then? I don’t know, just like the people who voted remain have no idea how things will turn out. I just find the remain voters to look very much down on the people who voted leave. Tarring them all with the same brush. Fir me personally Brexit should have a positive impact on the line of work im in. However if i stated i voted Brexit on here, i would have the usual suspects calling me racist or thick. Edited January 31, 2020 by Porkchopcash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted January 31, 2020 Author Paid Members Share Posted January 31, 2020 You can tell the non-Stewart Lee watchers in this thread, can't you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Devon Malcolm said: You can tell the non-Stewart Lee watchers in this thread, can't you. These days yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porkchopcash Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Devon Malcolm said: You can tell the non-Stewart Lee watchers in this thread, can't you. No idea who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted January 31, 2020 Author Paid Members Share Posted January 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, Porkchopcash said: No idea who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Accident Prone Posted January 31, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted January 31, 2020 19 minutes ago, hallicks said: Whats going to improve once we've left, then? 14 minutes ago, Porkchopcash said: I don’t know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paid Members Carbomb Posted January 31, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted January 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, Porkchopcash said: I don’t know, just like the people who voted remain have no idea how things will turn out. I just find the remain voters to look very much down on the people who voted leave. Tarring them all with the same brush. Fir me personally Brexit should have a positive impact on the line of work im in. However if i stated i voted Brexit on here, i would have the usual suspects calling me racist or thick. As I mentioned above, that's because we've all seen what happens when the economy goes to shit and people start blaming foreigners/immigrants/ethnic minorities. None of this is theoretical, we've seen it all before, so it's on you (meaning Brexiters and anyone who's blaming immigration) to prove that you're not just saying what they were saying before. So far, nothing the right-wing Brexit lot have said is new. The reason you're getting this reaction is because there are people who remember what happened when this kind of language was left to go unchallenged: a lot of innocent people paid the price because there was no-one standing up for them. That bit in bold? That's fine. If you stated that from the very beginning, and cited exactly why the EU's been damaging to your livelihood, nobody would be calling you racist or stupid. But there aren't enough of you doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Dead Mike Posted January 31, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, quote the raven said: What backbenches was he trying to appease and to what end? He was trying to get enough to take to the people to win hes argument. The ERG types & enough to avoid calling a referendum which he never wanted. Once the EU had pointed out that he was essentially complaining about his own policies he was fucked. You claimed the EU's approach to Cameron is what made you vote leave. What part of the EU asking why the Tories had refused to apply FoM controls or charge host states for NHS costs annoyed the most? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted January 31, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted January 31, 2020 I think if the result had been more decisive maybe things would have been different. The way people like Farage were saying "if a 52-48 then it's not over" probably stoked some animosity when the result came in. I reckon if it'd been the other way around there'd have been more "that was close, carry on." and hopefully the racism stoked by the likes of the usual media suspects would have continued on as yells into the abyss. That's not what happened though. Just got to brace ourselves for what happens I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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