RedRooster Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) On 9/28/2023 at 8:43 AM, Hannibal Scorch said: He literally has his own political party in reclaim uk. The thing is, he presumably knows he's never going to get elected, as will his financial backers. If you're funding a party like this, you are likely doing it for one of two reasons - either you're deluded; or you've seen how successful UKIP and the Brexit Party were at pushing the Tories further to the right, and you want to continue that push. They're a political party with an asterisk - I suspect that they exist to influence, and push someone like Suella Braverman into a leadership position; and, potentially, number 10. They may not be successful at winning votes, but they are, sadly, disproportionately successful at influencing political discussion both on social media and in the news. EDIT: Point being, I think he's a relevant point of discussion here. DOUBLE EDIT: I thought this was the Tory thread when writing this after clicking the wrong link, oops. Edited September 29, 2023 by RedRooster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted September 28, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted September 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, RedRooster said: EDIT: Point being, I think he's a relevant point of discussion here. Much as I condemn him, I'd say probably not at the moment - he hasn't been accused of anything. That said, given what he's just enabled in Wootton, his ostensible sense of entitlement, and the sheer vociferousness of his narrative of "resisting the woke" over the past few years, I would not be surprised if he becomes relevant to it soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBacon Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 The most important thing to remember about Fox is that he looks like a haunted parsnip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, Carbomb said: Much as I condemn him, I'd say probably not at the moment - he hasn't been accused of anything. He hasn't, but I'd argue that he doesn't have to be. He's attempting to push a discussion about "manliness", saying things like "the feminisation of men is a cancer on society". He's also stood by people accused of some pretty awful things. But the former is a massive problem - and a relevant point of discussion. If you're going to discuss problematic individuals, I think it's pertinent to discuss narratives that enable said individuals. The idea that a man should, or can behave in a certain way enables and perhaps encourages toxic masculinity. In a thread like this, I think it's hugely important to discuss the attitudes that have led to a 107-page thread existing about the wrongdoings of powerful men. I should also hold my hands up though - when I made the edit, I incorrectly thought I was in the Tories are cunts thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Mail Online terminate Dan Woottons contract. I do hope it’s all Panorama related. That cunt has it coming, and Martin Branning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathrey Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) Regarding Fox, I think he belongs here, surely those comments he made about Ava Evan's can be considered as sexual harassment? If he had made those comments off air to his mate, it would just be a distasteful conversation but to say it in public where he knew she would hear it, I think is harassment. Edited September 28, 2023 by deathrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factotum Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, deathrey said: If he had made those comments off air to his mate, it would just be a distasteful conversation but to say it in public where he knew she would hear it, I think is harassment. Absolutely it is. It's bringing a woman's appearance into a news item and then commenting on the sexual nature of that woman. She didn't asked to be talked about like that and it was in no way relevant to the point they were discussing. It also adds to a discussion about how she looks which has nothing to do with her job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Some Guy Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 hour ago, deathrey said: Regarding Fox, I think he belongs here, surely those comments he made about Ava Evan's can be considered as sexual harassment? This comment has highlighted how much I have to learn on the subject. I thought that as Fox's comments were about how unattractive Ava Evans is, they fall under misogyny rather than sexual harassment. I'll try and do better. It's funny how a daft wrestling forum can make you grow as a person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathrey Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 I imagine the definition of what it is could be up debate @Just Some Guybut for me I think pushes the line over in to harassment for the reasons @Factotumgave along with a few others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Tommy! Posted September 28, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted September 28, 2023 On 9/27/2023 at 5:24 PM, Carbomb said: benefits from all the connections and reputation that being a Fox gets him Rolling in his own shit and pawing through garbage, aptly enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 Despite saying this - Quote "Secondly. I stand by every word of what I said. If a woman wants to go on television and belittle male suicide, she is totally within her rights to do so and not apologise, just as I am totally within my rights to say that I wouldn’t want to shag a hyper offended 4th wave feminist and not apologise, just as people are totally within their rights to be offended by my stating I would run a mile in the opposite direction from women like her, should our paths cross in a bar." Fox has now done a really shit non-apology in which he repeated the comments and then claimed he was the victim of some giant conspiracy. Meanwhile more GB News presenters are being suspended for defending him, even though he's now rowed back on his comments. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people. As a man, it's just embarrassing to watch these self-professed "proper men" whinging and crying whenever there are repercussions for their actions and words. Man up Lawrence - you chat shit, you get hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, Loki said: Despite saying this - Fox has now done a really shit non-apology in which he repeated the comments and then claimed he was the victim of some giant conspiracy. Meanwhile more GB News presenters are being suspended for defending him, even though he's now rowed back on his comments. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people. As a man, it's just embarrassing to watch these self-professed "proper men" whinging and crying whenever there are repercussions for their actions and words. Man up Lawrence - you chat shit, you get hit. They’ve got the fake priest now. Last time I was at the in laws he was on and I was muttering under my breath. He ended his show with a prayer, and my girlfriend acted like she was in an evangelical church, hands facing skyward and saying “AMEN, PRAISE JESUS!!” And laughing her head off for 5 minutes. I think that’s a far better takedown than a nuanced dissection of his bullshit. Speaking of Fox and Wootton, I remember they were on about boycotting Marks and Spencers over something or other and John fucking Gaunt of all people was a guest on their show and said something along the lines of “You two present yourself as the kings of free speech and anti cancel culture and here you are urging people to cancel a shop. You’re pathetic, both of you” When that twat has the better of you, you’ve fucking lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted September 29, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted September 29, 2023 Just now, Keith Houchen said: They’ve got the fake priest now. Last time I was at the in laws he was on and I was muttering under my breath. He ended his show with a prayer, and my girlfriend acted like she was in an evangelical church, hands facing skyward and saying “AMEN, PRAISE JESUS!!” And laughing her head off for 5 minutes. I think that’s a far better takedown than a nuanced dissection of his bullshit. When he used to show up to far-right rallies in Honor Oak (which Fox is apparently doing tomorrow), he was regularly drowned out by chants of "You're not a real vicar". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Chris B Posted September 29, 2023 Paid Members Share Posted September 29, 2023 24 minutes ago, BomberPat said: When he used to show up to far-right rallies in Honor Oak (which Fox is apparently doing tomorrow), he was regularly drowned out by chants of "You're not a real vicar". I was pretty pleased to kick off a chant of 'There are more people here than watch your show' at one of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 11 minutes ago, Chris B said: I was pretty pleased to kick off a chant of 'There are more people here than watch your show' at one of those. CHRIS B GOES TO FAR RIGHT RALLIES!!!! Watch him try and weasel out of it and say he was counter protesting or something. What was the tune for that chant, out of interest? I saw someone quip that with close to 8,000 complaints, is Woottons show the first to have more complaints than viewers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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