King Pitcos Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 23 hours ago, tiger_rick said: Saw a copy of PWI in WH Smith today. Genuinely didn't know it was still going. I would have bought it for shits and giggles but it was £5.50!! Also realised it's 20 years today since Nash went over Goldberg at Starrcade. I think next month’s PWI will have the results from it, plus three colour photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted December 29, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 29, 2018 20 hours ago, tiger_rick said: Lugar was mega over when he beat Hogan in '97. Meaningless months later. Days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted December 29, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) Goldberg was basically a gift from the heavens. Its amazing they got until December without fucking him up. You can look at it two ways - they fucked it all up in 1999 or they were lucky to get to 1999 without the falls falling in. I cant blame WCW's collapse on one incident, because that company was a fucking mess. For me they should have beat Goldberg, but you needed to have a new monster to beat him. So you'd have your Goldberg vs even bigger Goldberg angle which you could have built to in 99. Someone like early 90s Big Van Vader (not 98 Vader obviously.) Imagine if you had 98 Goldberg vs someone like prime Vader? Edited December 29, 2018 by IANdrewDiceClay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members CleetusVanDamme Posted December 30, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 30, 2018 They made the right call at Starrcade, as the crowd reaction attests. No amount of revisionism can downplay how super-over Nash was, and had been all year, even as a heel. He deserved a solo main event run. And for all the talk of killing Goldberg's drawing power and denying Nash's it shouldn't be forgotten that Souled Out, sold largely on the Nash/Giant feud did a much bigger buyrate than Goldberg/DDP (and Hogan/Warrior) on a more major brand PPV. A Nash title run had more interesting possibilities than Goldberg continuing on. Nash/Hogan had been building brilliantly for ages and should have been done properly, the Hall aspect could have been stretched out into a great angle, did Kev know he was going to turn up at Starrcade? Is he even on his side? etc. Matches with Bret Hart, who he'd never beat, Sting, DDP had more mileage than seeing which guy below Nash in the pecking order was "next". It was the follow-up that fucked everything up. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted December 30, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 30, 2018 Cracking post, CVD. I disagree with every word but still! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted December 30, 2018 Paid Members Share Posted December 30, 2018 9 hours ago, CleetusVanDamme said: And for all the talk of killing Goldberg's drawing power and denying Nash's it shouldn't be forgotten that Souled Out, sold largely on the Nash/Giant feud did a much bigger buyrate than Goldberg/DDP (and Hogan/Warrior) on a more major brand PPV. Â I'd put that more down to Souled Out coming off the back of Starrcade and interest in the product being at a peak, and Halloween Havoc coming after several months of Nitro being a chore to sit through, than the drawing power of any particular match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam O'Rourke Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) That buyrate had a lot more to do with Bret Hart's first match in WCW, with Ric fucking Flair, than anything to do with the Giant and Nash. Edited December 30, 2018 by Liam O'Rourke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Johnny Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 What about Starrcade 1997 then? No one can deny that buy rate was down to Nash and the Giant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Butternut Squash Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Catching up with WWE and there was a few gems during the Christmas tapings. I absolutely love The Revival. It’s easy to forget how great they are but they always deliver and get over in the ring when they’re given something with a bit of meat to it. The match with the Glorious ones was more of a set up to a series than the final form but it was wonderful. The Revival always find ways to put a fresh spin old school spots and ideas. I’m a sucker for 80s southern style tags and they feel like a legit update on the style that works perfectly for the 2018 audience. Looking forward to seeing this match again although I’m sure I’ll be sick of it after fifteen weeks straight. Rousey vs Natalya was AWESOME. I don’t know why I keep being caught by surprise by the quality of Ronda’s work, it’s a given at this point. She’s a prodigy. She’s a better rookie than Angle was, easily. As fun as he was he was liable to do stupid shit, everything  Rousey does in ring makes sense. The way she struggles in holds, sells her arse off and gives the fire at all the right beats. Some of the transitions and counters on the mat were a joy to watch. She’s completely unique to the roster, like early RINGS + Shinobu Kandori + WWE main event style, or something. With her and guys like Riddle, Lorcan, Dunne, O’ Reilly and current Daniel Bryan, the future looks bright for a mat work geek like me. I hope it’s a direction they continue to go in, it doesn’t have to be about sitting in chinlocks. Credit to Natalya too, it’s probably the sharpest she’s ever looked and few others in the division could have called this match on the fly. Talking of sharp, Nakamura  decided to turn up for his title loss to Rusev, where has this guy been? It’s so frustrating. Honestly, I thought it was the best match he’s had on the main roster. It’s good to see more of Rusev’s personality come out as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members IANdrewDiceClay Posted January 3, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted January 3, 2019 Never knew that the intro to SummerSlam 89 featured Stephanie in Vince's pool, Shane playing basketball, Vince's seretary Emily Feinberg in a convertable and Kevin Dunn playing golf. Its so obvious its them as well, but never connected it. And I've seen that show more than any event ever. Wonder if there's more like that over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffbag Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 5 hours ago, IANdrewDiceClay said: Never knew that the intro to SummerSlam 89 featured Stephanie in Vince's pool, Shane playing basketball, Vince's seretary Emily Feinberg in a convertable and Kevin Dunn playing golf. Its so obvious its them as well, but never connected it. And I've seen that show more than any event ever. Wonder if there's more like that over the years. Cue the pervs looking to see what Steph looked like then (p.s is the girl on the beach another of vince's offspring? lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
returner82 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 It's Shane jumping into the pool with Steph as well, isn't it? Could I suggest it's Bucky Beaver on the mountain bike as well? Doesn't really look like Emily Feinberg in the convertible, though, hair seems too short. Could she be the girl in the bright yellow bikini who lifts her sunglasses up on the beach? I had mates who would swear blind that was Elizabeth, when it clearly wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIDDUM_N_STYLE Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 That kid biting on the ice cream near the end, dead ringer for a young John Cena surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Weezenal Posted January 5, 2019 Paid Members Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) When RAW/Nitro were on at the same time in the US, were either of them repeated? Edited January 5, 2019 by Weezenal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyattSheepMask Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I think Nitro used to have a repeat on straight afterwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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