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3 minutes ago, cobra_gordo said:

I've had the words "Hey Rock, go fuck yourself" stuck in my head for the last 24 hours

I've had the same issue for about a decade or so.

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@d-d-d-dAzi thought Seth could be the 3rd man. the way Cena looked at him when he stomped punk. The fact that this year was supposed to be a Seth’s big break in Hollywood until he was cut out of Captain America. It could work.

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1 minute ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

@d-d-d-dAzi thought Seth could be the 3rd man. the way Cena looked at him when he stomped punk. The fact that this year was supposed to be a Seth’s big break in Hollywood until he was cut out of Captain America. It could work.

Crikey.

I don't know what I think about that.

I don't like either The Rock or Seth, so that's bad, but it would sort of bring a semblance of sense to the final sequence of the Chamber and brings everything together across Mania.

Sod, it let's do it.

The Rock, John Cena, Travis Scott, Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch

Vs

Cody, Punk, Roman, Bad Bunny and... erm... Brandi

Let's do it. In for a dodgy penny, in for a sketchy pound.

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The natural conclusion to these first few months on Netflix is a Wrestlemania 2000-style Fatal Four Way Wrestlemania Main Event, with a CELEBRITY in every corner.

Vin Diesel would seem the perfect choice for Cody, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him use his CBeebies connections. Fly in Mr. Tumble.

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11 minutes ago, Supremo said:

The natural conclusion to these first few months on Netflix is a Wrestlemania 2000-style Fatal Four Way Wrestlemania Main Event, with a CELEBRITY in every corner.

Vin Diesel would seem the perfect choice for Cody, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him use his CBeebies connections. Fly in Mr. Tumble.

Can’t have Dusty Rhodes obviously…maybe Dusty Bin? That’ll help him get the 3-2-1….

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20 minutes ago, Supremo said:

The natural conclusion to these first few months on Netflix is a Wrestlemania 2000-style Fatal Four Way Wrestlemania Main Event, with a CELEBRITY in every corner.

Vin Diesel would seem the perfect choice for Cody, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him use his CBeebies connections. Fly in Mr. Tumble.

Mr Bobby is quite a keen wrestler these days!

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14 hours ago, SuperBacon said:

This CUNT was desperate to be a "meme" or whatever, forever putting his hands to his head, and doing a shocked face whenever he could.

I watched the show because I saw a spoiler that Cena turned heel, and I wanted to see how they pulled it off, as I wasn't remotely interested in the rest of it, and nothing on the show dissuaded me of that.

The audience are definitely a big part of why I just can't enjoy WWE's product any more. I get the comparisons to Hogan's heel turn, but Hogan turning heel had people booing the house down and throwing rubbish into the ring, this had people doing YouTube reaction faces in the hope of becoming a meme and getting in video packages, and cheering because they were witnessing a WWE Moment™. Even with the biggest heel turn in a generation, they still can't generate any actual heat, because it's all so stagey and melodramatic.

That said, wrestling booking is at its best when it gives you something that you might have found predictable, or that you didn't care about, and makes you want to see it. People were predicting Cody vs. Cena for Wrestlemania for months, but nobody predicted this route to get there, and now they want to see it. The secret isn't to give the fans what they want, it's to make them think that they want what they're being given. 

I'd be fascinated to know how long this was all actually planned out for. The Rock showing up and doing the weird "Cody's soul" stuff felt like a last minute insane choice to crowbar Dwayne into a story that had nothing to do with him, but then they played footage from Cena at the Royal Rumble press conference saying that he always does "what's best for business" - and if anyone else had said that, fans would have been all over it as an Authority call-back and foreshadowing a heel turn, but from Cena, it just doesn't occur to you that it's even an option. 

The other interesting thing is how post-kayfabe and meta it all got; they piled everything on that angle to try and make it shocking and transgressive - blood, swearing, and strangling with a tie, all things the audience "know" you're not "allowed" to do in WWE, which is all designed to make it feel more real and dangerous and edgy than it really was. I bet they're kicking themselves that they already had Kevin Owens doing Piledrivers rather than saving that for this angle as well. If only they'd broken the final WWE taboo and had everyone involved behave like human beings rather than three different brands of malfunctioning robot.

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6 minutes ago, BomberPat said:

The audience are definitely a big part of why I just can't enjoy WWE's product any more. I get the comparisons to Hogan's heel turn, but Hogan turning heel had people booing the house down and throwing rubbish into the ring, this had people doing YouTube reaction faces in the hope of becoming a meme and getting in video packages, and cheering because they were witnessing a WWE Moment™. Even with the biggest heel turn in a generation, they still can't generate any actual heat, because it's all so stagey and melodramatic.

It often to me feels like a certain portion of the WWE audience watch it because they want to be told a story, follow along with it and appreciate rather than actually engage with it on a real and genuine emotional level.

Fundamentally for how well this angle is being received the fact that the fans reacted to the biggest babyface of a generation turning heel and attacking the current top babyface of the company with CHEERS...something about that just doesn't sit right with me. 

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More than any show in recent memory, the directors did keep cutting to people doing a performative YouTube shocked face in the crowd. The funny thing was that in almost every single case, they’d spot themselves on the big screen and drop the act to pop for themselves. Bloody amateurs, breaking kayfabe!

I don’t know who Travis Scott is. I don’t know if him pissing about in the background added anything or not. But on a more positive note, maybe him potato-ing Cody can count as a victory, making him the first black man to get a win on a Triple H pay per view.

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2 hours ago, Supremo said:

Vin Diesel would seem the perfect choice for Cody, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him use his CBeebies connections. Fly in Mr. Tumble.

"Burial. You sign burial."

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4 hours ago, air_raid said:

The conspiracy nutters are going overdrive about this show. Apparently Naomi attacking surprised at Jade attacking her means there’s more to it. Umm, probably wasn’t expecting Jade to know it was her? Doesn’t have to be nuanced, mate. Plus the three fingers Rock seems to hold up is forcing people to guess there’s a huge “third man” reveal coming. Travis is the third man, he was right there. Done.

 

I spent far to long reading wrestling conspiracy theories on the 2 heels turns last night on twitter. The irony of the Jade heel turn is it's clear they had no plan when got taken out and they have kind of made this up on the spot more or less, whatever the outcome of 'who pushed Jade' I don't believe pone single 'clue' was intended.

Likewise, people are clutching at straws looking over Cena and Rock promos from the last 2 years, they absoulty dropped no clues but wrestling fans are obsessed with this 'cinema' thing when it comes to angles (remember when people were saying the overweight and clearly unhealthy Paul Heyman deserves an award for....*checks notes*, staying up all night so he looked tired?). It was a very well planned execution but like heck would they drop clues in the weeks leading up and risk giving it away.

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37 minutes ago, LaGoosh said:

It often to me feels like a certain portion of the WWE audience watch it because they want to be told a story, follow along with it and appreciate rather than actually engage with it on a real and genuine emotional level.

Fundamentally for how well this angle is being received the fact that the fans reacted to the biggest babyface of a generation turning heel and attacking the current top babyface of the company with CHEERS...something about that just doesn't sit right with me. 

I think this is half true.

The initial response to THE FACE felt genuine and it had that weird noise where everyone's air leaves their body, similar to when Brock beat Taker.

But, as ever with these goofs who go to these shows, within a few seconds they've shaken off any human emotion and start playing up to the cameras or cheering because it's a 'big moment'.

I think that's a uniquely WWE thing, a corner they've walked themselves into, where on 'the road to Wrestlemania' their audience at live shows just want BIG MOMENTS and will pop for BIG MOMENTS, irrespective of what that moment is.

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