Factotum Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 I don't think anything will change. Triple H is capable hands but WWE is a model now, one that is hugely successful and profitable. He might push a few new guys, and drop some of the nonsensical booking, but I can't see it being radically different. Without a huge reset of what it is it'll continue to plod along and rake in the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) Wwe should be where you see a big show, or a wyatt, or a Goldberg type once a month. The big attraction, a special feeling when they show up. Instead the took all those kinda guys, had them wrestle weekly and then the sparks gone as you Have seen it all from them in 6 months. Don’t be afraid to keep people off tv, to compare to AEW look at say how sting is, but also in the guys coming up that day Miro is on tv once every 3 weeks makes him feel more special when he does appear. Both sides can use what works for the other, but add their own twist and make it different Edited July 26, 2022 by Louch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRooster Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 I would have been surprised if there had been any drastic changes on air pre-Summerslam. I imagine that each show will end up evolving, but I also expect that process to be gradual. I'm particularly interested in what this means for NXT, and the women's division in particular; given how they had changed their focus to the point NXT women had been given tutorials on how to dress "sexy". I'd be surprised and disappointed if we didn't see them go back to the approach that helped the likes of Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair and Bayley become big stars, rather than viewing women through the narrow, creepy lenses of Vince McMahon and John Laurinaitis. I'm also intrigued as to what this will mean for AEW going forward. Might Triple H build up the tag division, much as he did in NXT? It's a relatively minor change, but one that could catch the eye of a team like FTR, who already have experience of working under Triple H. Would Triple H be more likely to roll the dice on someone like Darby Allin or Jungle Boy, and given his apparent relationship with Adam Cole, would he want to bring him back, given the opportunity? I'd imagine he'll be aware of someone like Hangman Page, and if so, would the prospect of a fresh challenge interest Page? What will it mean for the MJF situation, for whatever that might be? Will he actively pursue a wrestler like Jade Cargill, who could quite realistically become a key main eventer for WWE, and potentially an even bigger star by being part of their superior women's division. We're in for an interesting few years, regardless of what this means for the quality of the storylines presented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted July 26, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted July 26, 2022 Genuinely hope they turn the product around; HHH sounds like he could make it interesting again. But they've still got the Saudi deal, wrestlers are still independent contractors, and Ashley Massaro's family remain uncompensated and without apology or even an admission, so I'm still not watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted July 26, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted July 26, 2022 47 minutes ago, Louch said: Wwe should be where you see a big show, or a wyatt, or a Goldberg type once a month. The big attraction, a special feeling when they show up. I think we've been conditioned to think that's true because of the last 12 years or so of the waning main eventers or returners on showing up every now and again. I preferred it when you could rely on Steve Austin, Rock, Triple H, Kurt Angle, Undertaker and everyone worth watching actually being on TV every week, making it worth watching, as opposed to certain wrestlers making certain broadcasts "special" thus in turn making the rest of them feel skippable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Carbomb said: Genuinely hope they turn the product around; HHH sounds like he could make it interesting again. But they've still got the Saudi deal, wrestlers are still independent contractors, and Ashley Massaro's family remain uncompensated and without apology or even an admission, so I'm still not watching. That. Fuck em still. Didn't watch last night and don't intended to, but if it's a more tolerable product for those who do. Fair, maybe hate watching could even subside a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, air_raid said: I think we've been conditioned to think that's true because of the last 12 years or so of the waning main eventers or returners on showing up every now and again. I preferred it when you could rely on Steve Austin, Rock, Triple H, Kurt Angle, Undertaker and everyone worth watching actually being on TV every week, making it worth watching, as opposed to certain wrestlers making certain broadcasts "special" thus in turn making the rest of them feel skippable. It’s a different era now tho. Guys aren’t getting 3 year runs and done. Most of the higher level talent there have been there 6/8/10 years every week on tv and have wrestled everyone they can. Everyone is watered down to the point the regulars are no longer an attraction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted July 26, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Louch said: It’s a different era now tho. Guys aren’t getting 3 year runs and done. Most of the higher level talent there have been there 6/8/10 years every week on tv and have wrestled everyone they can. Everyone is watered down to the point the regulars are no longer an attraction It's not that the guys' runs are making them less of a star, its the presentation. John Cena was on TV every week for over 14 years and because they presented him like a star, he was always a star. They had about 10 years between the era I referred to and 2010 when Triple H and Taker both got put out not long after Mania and started to only really both wrestle at Mania and one or two other shows. Round about the same point in 2010 Batista left and within a year Edge was gone too, so the reliance they then started to have upon Taker and Hunter, Cena beyond the point he started winding down, and eventually a couple of doses of Rocky and the returned Brock Lesnar, started to reduce the importance of everyone that was there every week, because nobody else was presented as that level. There was probably only Randy Orton who was presented as a true top guy and actually around every week, and briefly Punk, who need a chunk of 2013 off then ended up leaving anyway. Suddenly instead of people being "in" or "out" they were happy to let people come and go and be presented as the bigger deals than the guys that were there all the time. In the last 5 years especially only Roman Reigns has been presented as a real star, everyone else has either been occupying a slot waiting for him or for Lesnar, keeping a belt warm for one or the other before they'd inevitably be pointed at each other again. Everyone else they could have made into that level of star has been in and out of that position or had it pulled out from under them - Rollins, Styles, McIntyre. They can think about reversing that trend NOW, and think about the top spots being reserved again for the people who actually keep the company rolling 365 and are going to be on the live events when you put your money down, or they can keep relying on the unreliable and letting the "REAL stars" make things only feel special from time to time and let the shows in between feel something you don't need to bother watching, where the main event feels like a midcard match because the main eventers won't be back until the Rumble. Probably just talked myself into the benefit of making Cody champion when he comes back as it would be (a) fresh and new and (b) putting the focus back on someone that turns up every week. Edited July 26, 2022 by air_raid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordsfromlee Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Hopefully the commentary will be better now that they won’t have Vince shouting in their ear. Plus fingers crossed they get rid of all those weird rules for promos/commentary that Vince brought in like not using the word wrestling or title belt etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted July 26, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted July 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, wordsfromlee said: Hopefully the commentary will be better now that they won’t have Vince shouting in their ear. Plus fingers crossed they get rid of all those weird rules for promos/commentary that Vince brought in like not using the word wrestling or title belt etc. If that happens within the next month, due to the shock I'll have to be escorted to a nearby medical facility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 5 hours ago, wordsfromlee said: Hopefully the commentary will be better now that they won’t have Vince shouting in their ear. Plus fingers crossed they get rid of all those weird rules for promos/commentary that Vince brought in like not using the word wrestling or title belt etc. heard they referred to the crowd as fans on a show this week. RIP wwe universe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Vegas Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Louch said: Raw is NXT wouldn't work. The wider Audience in wrestling has always came from big guys doing less. Raw needs it’s Next Nash than it does it’s NXT anyone I was speaking to a work mate the other day who's a few years younger about what "growing up" feels like and the changes you notice when you have done so. For me, in terms of wrestling growing up is realising or accepting that small athletic guys with no real character, charisma or persona, no selling smacking the living shit out of each other for 35 minutes is actually shit no matter how much I used to think it was amazing. The most entertaining NXT match ever was Eva Marie vs Bayley. Edited July 26, 2022 by Jonny Vegas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 48 minutes ago, Jonny Vegas said: I was speaking to a work mate the other day who's a few years younger about what "growing up" feels like and the changes you notice when you have done so. For me, in terms of wrestling growing up is realising or accepting that small athletic guys with no real character, charisma or persona, no selling smacking the living shit out of each other for 35 minutes is actually shit no matter how much I used to think it was amazing. The most entertaining NXT match ever was Eva Marie vs Bayley. It’s no coincidence that the proper biggest names all have Their “5 moves of doom”. People want simple and know what to expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted July 27, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) Gutted! I wish Tony Khan had kept his receipts. He should tell Undisputed Era to go see if they can get their original offers. I wonder if this stops the inevitable Gargano Dynamite debut from happening. Â Edited July 27, 2022 by Supremo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted July 27, 2022 Author Share Posted July 27, 2022 There's a few names Hunter should be on the phone to already - Sasha Banks for sure, and personally I think Bray Wyatt.  I'd love to see what he can come up with away from Vince's shitfilter. Otherwise though I hope he learns some lessons from NXT.  Kevin Nash on his podcast was talking about HBK's attitude to NXT, where Nash was down there doing some teaching and said "everyone needs to just slow down" and Michaels said "this is what people want now". I don't think the highspots style works long-term and I don't think it would work as the main style of Raw/Smackdown.  It's like the WarGames match - the first one was great, and then each subsequent one has been worse, because they went to 100% the first time and we've seen it all. 10 hours ago, Louch said: It’s no coincidence that the proper biggest names all have Their “5 moves of doom”. There are definitely things I dislike about the WWE house style but as you say, it has made a LOT of money over a long period of time.  They need more variety of styles and characters, something AEW does well, but I hope they don't try getting everyone to wrestle like Adam Cole.  Eurgh. Anyway, deffo deffo everything will change on Smackdown, HHH will come out on a throne and give a big speech "You see.... in this business-ah... the fact of the matter is... and here's the thing-ah..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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