Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted March 22, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) A brilliant video to video shouting match between Randy Savage and Razor Ramon hyping Survivor Series 1992. I know who looks cooler here. Â Edited March 22, 2022 by bAzTNM#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted March 22, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, bAzTNM#1 said: A brilliant video to video shouting match between Randy Savage and Razor Ramon hyping Survivor Series 1992. I know who looks cooler here. This is from the 28/09/92 Prime Time, two weeks after the match aired where Razor cost Savage the WWF title to Flair, and the principal hype is for the on-going house show run, to “talk people into the building” to see Savage go for revenge the next time the feud comes to your town at some point over the next two months. They didn’t announce the match for Survivor Series until the 10/10/92 Superstars although it can be inferred from Savage mentioning the Ultimate Maniacs. As a kid, I’d likely have been devastated to hear it wasn’t going to a traditional Survivors with Warrior, Savage, Boss Man and Undertaker against Flair, Razor, Nailz and Kamala, for instance. Nailz to do the Bad News Brown “I’m a loner” walk off spot. I’d totally buy a ticket to see this Razor get his face smashed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted March 23, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 23, 2022 I really wish a wrestling company would bring back the "Sports Centre" format. Loved that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyattSheepMask Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Carbomb said: I really wish a wrestling company would bring back the "Sports Centre" format. Loved that. Isn’t that what Raw Talk, Talking Smack, Bring It To The Table, TNA Spin Cycle tried to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted March 23, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, WyattSheepMask said: Isn’t that what Raw Talk, Talking Smack, Bring It To The Table, TNA Spin Cycle tried to do? Don't know about the first three, but Spin Cycle wasn't quite like Sports Centre - it was its own programme, kind of a magazine supplement show. I mean I would like the regular wrestling programming to be interspersed with Sports Centre-style or football-style punditry. I'm not a massive "Present Wrestling As A Sport Goddammit" type, but that's one element of sports presentation I do like in wrestling; when you get retired wrestlers or managers going in-depth, it gives a whole extra dimension to the storytelling that I quite enjoy. EDIT: Also, because of the above clip, I've indulged in a bit of nostalgia and watched the whole compilation of that fantastic last-minute angle they pulled off using the Sports Centre to get Mr. Perfect in as Warrior's replacement for Savage's partner at Survivor Series 92 - I remember watching it as it happened (on UK TV) back in the day, and it was a brilliant bit of booking. Looking back on it, it's a tremendous additional means of working storylines and angles to the usual ones. Edited March 23, 2022 by Carbomb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted March 23, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 23, 2022 That Perfect face turn was brilliantly done. His loser leaves town match against Flair on Raw was a cracker as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted March 23, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, jazzygeofferz said: That Perfect face turn was brilliantly done. His loser leaves town match against Flair on Raw was a cracker as well. Not just a face turn, but a comeback too! I'd started watching the WWF just before Survivor Series 91, so I never got to see Perfect during his initial run; it was therefore quite exciting to see him come back, and as a face, especially when he'd been such a smug git of a manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Devon Malcolm Posted March 23, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, jazzygeofferz said: That Perfect face turn was brilliantly done. His loser leaves town match against Flair on Raw was a cracker as well. Great match. Manhattan Centre era Raw will always be the best Raw era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members bAzTNM#1 Posted March 24, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 24, 2022 Rob Bartlett is a bit cringey from that era and that's saying something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members air_raid Posted March 24, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, bAzTNM#1 said: Rob Bartlett is a bit cringey from that era and that's saying something. Short lived though. If he was the price to pay for May 17th 1993, I’ll take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamp Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 20 hours ago, Carbomb said: I mean I would like the regular wrestling programming to be interspersed with Sports Centre-style or football-style punditry. I'm not a massive "Present Wrestling As A Sport Goddammit" type, but that's one element of sports presentation I do like in wrestling; when you get retired wrestlers or managers going in-depth, it gives a whole extra dimension to the storytelling that I quite enjoy. Yeah but then you end up with Lawler being half awake and Booker T rambling on about nonsense on your regular show. God knows what an AEW version would be like. Probably a miserable JR talking to Big Show and Mark Henry about how good wrestling used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavemanLynn Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, Vamp said: Yeah but then you end up with Lawler being half awake and Booker T rambling on about nonsense on your regular show. God knows what an AEW version would be like. Probably a miserable JR talking to Big Show and Mark Henry about how good wrestling used to be. One thing you can see in that (brilliant) Macho vs Razor vignette is that EVERYONE is on message. One of the casualties of post-kayfabe that has been accentuated even more through social media and the opening up of the working of the business is that many of those 'in the bubble' seem to forget that the quality of the wrestling is fucking irrelevant. Comments about match quality, work rate, even cardiovascular fitness, are completely beside the point of what a wrestling show is supposed to be about - the characters and conflicts. No one asked "Scott" what accent he was doing. For a sports-desk-style show to work, it depends on the in-ring workers hitting clear story beats rather than move tennis, to give the commentators less reason to start wandering off on tangents that veer from insights that get the talent over and drive the narrative forward into their own unfiltered opinions on the state of the business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted March 24, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 24, 2022 50 minutes ago, Vamp said: Yeah but then you end up with Lawler being half awake and Booker T rambling on about nonsense on your regular show. God knows what an AEW version would be like. Probably a miserable JR talking to Big Show and Mark Henry about how good wrestling used to be. Not having watched much AEW or any wrestling recently for that matter, I couldn't tell you who would be good for it. Going off the old stuff, and what people have been saying on here about his recent work, it sounds like Schiavone would be a perfect fit to host that kind of thing. 26 minutes ago, CavemanLynn said: One thing you can see in that (brilliant) Macho vs Razor vignette is that EVERYONE is on message. One of the casualties of post-kayfabe that has been accentuated even more through social media and the opening up of the working of the business is that many of those 'in the bubble' seem to forget that the quality of the wrestling is fucking irrelevant. Comments about match quality, work rate, even cardiovascular fitness, are completely beside the point of what a wrestling show is supposed to be about - the characters and conflicts. No one asked "Scott" what accent he was doing. For a sports-desk-style show to work, it depends on the in-ring workers hitting clear story beats rather than move tennis, to give the commentators less reason to start wandering off on tangents that veer from insights that get the talent over and drive the narrative forward into their own unfiltered opinions on the state of the business. One thing that the old-style Sports Centre didn't quite have, and I'd like to see in a modern version, is a kayfabe sporting approach - not all the way through, obviously the story beats are the driving factor, but the odd bit here and there. Stuff that enhances or qualifies the stuff they're talking about - an example would be when two slung-together main-event singles wrestlers face a dedicated tag-team: could have a commentator saying stuff like "this is going to be a real test for these guys - neither of them have wrestled in the tag division for some time, they're not specialists, and against an experienced, well-drilled team who can cut the ring in half and disrupt your rhythm, like FTR/Demolition/Well Dunn, they could be in for a world of hurt." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King of Old School Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 99% of the time though two main event single's guys will beat a regular tag team. It's weird to me but there we go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted March 25, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, The King of Old School said: 99% of the time though two main event single's guys will beat a regular tag team. It's weird to me but there we go. Yeh, and that's one of my pet peeves about wrestling. It would be much more interesting if they had it as a set rule that the two different divisions are a different set of disciplines, so therefore it wouldn't be a given that, say, the Power Trip would beat the Dudleys. The only tag teams that I can think of where they were smart enough to not do that were LOD/Road Warriors, and maybe the Steiners. I'm sure there are more, though. EDIT: Rock N' Roll Express? Edited March 25, 2022 by Carbomb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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