Paid Members stumobir Posted March 5, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 5, 2022 Thought it might be a bit uncouth to pop it in Comedy News Stories but stuff like this really needs to fuck off. Looking forward to ordering Beijing Duck or Lamb Chennai sometime soon. There’s little worse than big business and their “I’m helping” bullshit. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/04/sainsburys-renames-chicken-kievs-kyivrussian-made-vodka-uk-supermarket-soviet-spelling-ukraine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted March 5, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 5, 2022 There's a lot of interesting stuff in some of the tweets related to that @Carbomb. It's of particular concern that the government are knighting Gavin Williamson, who was defence secretary when the Russian information campaigns started, and probably moreso that Johnson appears to be stripping funding into the investigation into how much Russian interference/disinformation has been going on in the UK. It's almost as if there are things they wouldn't want us to find out. It feels increasingly like we've become some kind of Russian outpost, and if the shit was to hit the fan, we're not necessarily going to be on what would be classed as the "right side" of a conflict? Hecl even Switzerland have broken their neutral cover and issued hundreds of sanctions, compared to our 16. If it was to transpire that the Brexit Referendum had been swung by Russian interference, what do you suppose the repercussions from that would be, both for us, and from the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 hours ago, jazzygeofferz said: There's a lot of interesting stuff in some of the tweets related to that @Carbomb. It's of particular concern that the government are knighting Gavin Williamson, who was defence secretary when the Russian information campaigns started, and probably moreso that Johnson appears to be stripping funding into the investigation into how much Russian interference/disinformation has been going on in the UK. It's almost as if there are things they wouldn't want us to find out. It feels increasingly like we've become some kind of Russian outpost, and if the shit was to hit the fan, we're not necessarily going to be on what would be classed as the "right side" of a conflict? Hecl even Switzerland have broken their neutral cover and issued hundreds of sanctions, compared to our 16. If it was to transpire that the Brexit Referendum had been swung by Russian interference, what do you suppose the repercussions from that would be, both for us, and from the EU? It should also be noted that the Pandora Papers weren’t exactly kind to Zelenskyy either. He had London properties via shell companies.  But of course mentioning that makes you a Putin stooge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamp Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Probably bugger all. Aside from the fact that this government have shown disregard to the safety of their own people during a pandemic and got away with it you'd also have to get half the country to accept that their 'historic' decision was swayed by a foreign government. Hell, we know that the Prime Minister openly lied about aspects of Brexit (the money for the NHS) and it doesn't matter. Our own press has presented misinformation about the European Union for years. Besides, if this country ever does take proper stock of Brexit (something I don't think this country is capable of) I'd rather we owned all of it from the terrorist act that was the murder of a MP to the bullshit bus and the celebrities messing about in boats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Carbomb Posted March 5, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 5, 2022 13 hours ago, stumobir said: Thought it might be a bit uncouth to pop it in Comedy News Stories but stuff like this really needs to fuck off. Looking forward to ordering Beijing Duck or Lamb Chennai sometime soon. There’s little worse than big business and their “I’m helping” bullshit. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/04/sainsburys-renames-chicken-kievs-kyivrussian-made-vodka-uk-supermarket-soviet-spelling-ukraine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other  That's up there with why we call German Shepherds "Alsatians", and Americans called fries "Freedom Fries". Stupid bullshit that doesn't mean anything. Something else occurred to me the other day: I think one influence in why Putin has been able to (and, indeed, driven to) make the Ukraine a focal point of his weaponisation of nationalism is because it's seen as the historical cradle of Russia - "Kievan Rus", the centre of the Rurik kingdoms (to Russians what Anglo-Saxons are to English) as it's known, was considered the birthplace of Russia as a nation. It only serves to feed into his kudos as the nation's strongman leader that he's "reclaiming Russia's heartland", as it were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted March 5, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 5, 2022 I saw somewhere that they're covering it in the Russian news as "liberating Ukraine from the fascists". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Houchen Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, jazzygeofferz said: I saw somewhere that they're covering it in the Russian news as "liberating Ukraine from the fascists". Given the Azov battalion and their high standing in the Ukrainian military, that isn’t too far wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69MeDon Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 21 minutes ago, Keith Houchen said: Given the Azov battalion and their high standing in the Ukrainian military, that isn’t too far wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Jazzy G Posted March 5, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 5, 2022 China aren't showing any premier league games this weekend because of all the gestures of solidarity with the Ukraine being made by clubs. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/04/china-pulls-premier-league-tv-coverage-over-shows-of-solidarity-with-ukraine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 China have been pushing for neutrality, haven't they? Seems like most socialist countries have, rather than supporting either side. It's almost as if they have a more nuanced view for some reason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted March 6, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Merzbow said: China have been pushing for neutrality, haven't they? Seems like most socialist countries have, rather than supporting either side. It's almost as if they have a more nuanced view for some reason... Ask the Uyghurs about China’s nuanced views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members LaGoosh Posted March 6, 2022 Paid Members Share Posted March 6, 2022 7 hours ago, Merzbow said: China have been pushing for neutrality, haven't they? Seems like most socialist countries have, rather than supporting either side. It's almost as if they have a more nuanced view for some reason... China haven't gotten involved because they don't give a fuck about Ukraine. It's in their interests for the West and Russia to be at each other's throats, they get no benefit from supporting either side and all the benefit of continuing to grow their economy, political power and proceeding with their long term global strategy while all their rivals are distracted. Especially as long term they've got their own Ukraine in mind - they'll be invading Taiwan at some point this decade. China does not have a nuanced socialist view on anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merzbow Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Hannibal Scorch said: Ask the Uyghurs about China’s nuanced views. Are we really pulling that Adrian Zenz card? One which has been debunked time and time again? Be critical of China, they're no way perfect but let's not do this and parrot a real nasty fucking racist. Edited March 6, 2022 by Merzbow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted March 6, 2022 Author Share Posted March 6, 2022 On 3/5/2022 at 1:47 PM, Keith Houchen said: Given the Azov battalion and their high standing in the Ukrainian military, that isn’t too far wrong. You could probably scrape together a battalion of far-right soldiers from the British Army if you were so inclined.  It doesn’t make the UK a fascist state in need of liberation.  At the last Ukranian GE the far right party polled about 1.5% - not dissimilar to the British far right all told. The Azov battalion is a nasty bunch but it’s existence in no way justifies the overthrow of a democratic country.  All democracies have their issues with neo-Nazis (France and Germany in particular), it’s a by product of the democratic system, as are far-left parties.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69MeDon Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Loki said: You could probably scrape together a battalion of far-right soldiers from the British Army if you were so inclined.  It doesn’t make the UK a fascist state in need of liberation.  At the last Ukranian GE the far right party polled about 1.5% - not dissimilar to the British far right all told. The Azov battalion is a nasty bunch but it’s existence in no way justifies the overthrow of a democratic country.  All democracies have their issues with neo-Nazis (France and Germany in particular), it’s a by product of the democratic system, as are far-left parties.  I'm not going to claim that Russian claims at "de-Nazification" are legit but there is a literal neo-Nazi mayor in Konotop. PBS blurred the Bandera portrait behind him during their interview with him (edit: actually, it might just be him using Zoom's background blur function so I won't put that on PBS - but they didn't mention it, either) Edited March 6, 2022 by 69MeDon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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