wordsfromlee Posted November 9, 2021 Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Keith Houchen said: They get good PR when paying for rehab, you don’t get that with doing what you should be doing anyway. True, but doing what they should do should in theory curb the negative association they get from when a wrestlers heart explodes at 45 years old. But I guess that's indirect media attention, where as the positive PR they get for paying for some jobber from 30 years ago to go to rehab is very much direct press.
Vamp Posted November 9, 2021 Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, wordsfromlee said: I find it strange that WWE try to avoid paying benefits like pensions and insurance but are more than willing to fully pay for any wrestler who has ever had a WWE contract to go to rehab. Something which could have been potentially avoided if they had treated the wrestlers better in the first place. I wonder how it works with other performers. Like, if you're in a Broadway show, who's paying into your pension? I'm guessing a lot of it is covered by the unions and guilds. Which is wrestling's big problem really. There's wrestling unions in Mexico (although they're not without controversy) and it seemed like the UK scene might have been heading that way (World of Sport wrestlers negotiating together, politicians talking about it as a result of speaking out, EVE and presumably other promotions encouraging it) but it's clearly never going to take in the US. I guess the formation of AEW was the big chance for wrestlers to collectively negotiate better contracts. It's always been hard not to view the signing of certain wrestlers as EPs as a cynical move in that regard.
Paid Members air_raid Posted November 10, 2021 Paid Members Posted November 10, 2021 12 hours ago, garynysmon said: If most of us were let go by our workplaces for anything other than gross misconduct, we'd be liable for a redundancy payout under most circumstances. Swerving the “most of us” fallacy and sticking to the wrestling, redundancy is a difficult comparison to make when it comes to WWE cutting people which tends to be for artistic/creative reasons for a job that emphasises an artistic/creative output with subjective qualitative results rather than objective quantitative hours worked or KPI. Those of us in the world of 9-5/Johnny Punchclock usually don’t have to worry about becoming “stale” in our work because it only matters that our work is done by measurable standards of acceptability be it hours, units, sales revenue or so on, and don’t have to worry about the opinions of higher ups in terms of our work “getting over” with the consumer. It’s difficult to argue redundancy as an example, the company (notoriously) recently let a load of people go then hired back Eva Marie. In most worlds “redundancy” means the work simply isn’t there for you, whereas when WWE endeavour someone they’re telling you they don’t have any work for YOU.
Awards Moderator HarmonicGenerator Posted November 10, 2021 Awards Moderator Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, air_raid said: Johnny Punchclock This is so far from the discussion currently being discussed, but… Perfect gimmick overhaul for Johnny Gargano in NXT2.0. Johnny Punchclock will wrestle for exactly 10 minutes, at which point, whether he’s winning or losing, he’s off home. If you’re going to beat him, gotta do it in less than 10. Overlong NXT1.0 main event drama epics are already a thing of the past but with this character, they’re guaranteed never to happen again.
kieranjennings Posted November 10, 2021 Posted November 10, 2021 They'd win by countout though wouldn't they?
Paid Members seph Posted November 10, 2021 Paid Members Posted November 10, 2021 7 hours ago, HarmonicGenerator said: This is so far from the discussion currently being discussed, but… Perfect gimmick overhaul for Johnny Gargano in NXT2.0. Johnny Punchclock will wrestle for exactly 10 minutes, at which point, whether he’s winning or losing, he’s off home. If you’re going to beat him, gotta do it in less than 10. Overlong NXT1.0 main event drama epics are already a thing of the past but with this character, they’re guaranteed never to happen again. Cut the time to one minute and you have the Heel Goldberg gimmick that should have been made 21 years ago.
Paid Members Tommy! Posted November 14, 2021 Paid Members Posted November 14, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 12:25 PM, Hannibal Scorch said: Tony Khan and Scott D'Amore don't sign everyone they want from WWE when released because there are only so many slots. Found room for Jay Lethal though ?
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted November 14, 2021 Paid Members Posted November 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Tommy! said: Found room for Jay Lethal though ? When did WWE release him?
Paid Members Tommy! Posted November 14, 2021 Paid Members Posted November 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, Hannibal Scorch said: When did WWE release him? I'm just being facetious because in here there was a point of view that there aren't enough spots for all those super talented up and comers floating around but AEW can still find a spot for all round meh performer and alleged sexual predator Lethal.
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted November 14, 2021 Paid Members Posted November 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tommy! said: I'm just being facetious because in here there was a point of view that there aren't enough spots for all those super talented up and comers floating around but AEW can still find a spot for all round meh performer and alleged sexual predator Lethal. Meh performer? You’ve never seen his impression of Ric Flair…. Oh.
Paid Members garynysmon Posted November 14, 2021 Paid Members Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) AEW has over 90 contracted male wrestlers at present. They really shouldn't be signing anyone at this point that's not capable of moving the needle (tough ask) or are seen as having tremendous potential. As well as his considerable baggage, Jay Lethal provides neither for a company of AEW's considerable star power and stature. Who's he mates with in the Elite then?.... Tony Khan seems massively tone deaf at times. His recent comments on the NWA women's show was proof of that. Edited November 14, 2021 by garynysmon
Paid Members Hannibal Scorch Posted November 14, 2021 Paid Members Posted November 14, 2021 49 minutes ago, garynysmon said: Tony Khan seems massively tone deaf at times. His recent comments on the NWA women's show was proof of that. I agree, how he said it was dumb and put him in a bad light. But if his deal with them was I’ll provide talent, and pay them, in return for that being mentioned, I’d be pissed of too, but that wasn’t the way to air it.
wordsfromlee Posted November 14, 2021 Posted November 14, 2021 Jay Lethal as the new leader of the Dark Order then?
Guest Posted November 14, 2021 Posted November 14, 2021 The big talk on here has been that AEW should be increasing it’s wrestlers of colour, also that Lethal has about 15 years of tv wrestling experience I’d expect him to be in to work and lose to the up and comers. He’s never been for me in ring, but seems to tick those boxes
Infinity Land Posted November 14, 2021 Posted November 14, 2021 Just now, Louch said: The big talk on here has been that AEW should be increasing it’s wrestlers of colour, also that Lethal has about 15 years of tv wrestling experience I’d expect him to be in to work and lose to the up and comers. He’s never been for me in ring, but seems to tick those boxes I was going to say that. That and women are stick they get for lack of representation. He's one of the few POC men's World champions to come on the market. Besides the baggage, I was also surprised to see that he's still only in his mid 30s. With how long he's been around I would have thought he was 40+.
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