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My main takeaway from that is that Marty has a brother called Geno. Geno Jannetty.

With a face like a smacked arse, which means she’s losing

Apparently each bottle of Ultimate Warrior wine has one of 3 corks that features images and sayings from Warrior himself. Imagine popping open your lovely bottle of zin and being confronted with,

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The issue with WWE is how fucking precarious the situation really is. The entire business success is reliant on TV deals, and their ratings have been falling for ages and are now at scary levels. It only takes one decision maker to say it isnt worth the big money, and then they're in serious jelly, because their other revenue streams are in the shitter.

They can't create stars, there is no young audience, they have lost how to produce television in a way that impacts other metrics, and so the slide will always continue. Its become a house built on sand.

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At the end of the day, WWE is just another tv show to most executives and higher ups, so there is no reason as to why it wouldn't be treated any different to any other fledging TV shows that have been canceled for awful ratings 

WCW felt it was untouchable but it ended up being treated just like this and got taken off the air 

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I think the difference with WCW was, it was actually owned by the TV network. It was bankrolled by Ted, so making a profit wasn’t high on the agenda, so when its fate was put in the hand of someone else (through mergers) that didn’t share Ted’s… passion and instead looking at the balance sheet, it was a casualty. Why keep spending money on something that isn’t making a profit?

WWE isn’t. WWE is a profitable corporation that happens to produce television as part of its business, and then sell that content to broadcasters. They’ll be on TV for as long as it brings value to networks through advertising.

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With WCW I think there was a real element of loyalty from Ted Turner too - when TBS first went national, it was basically all syndicated cartoons and sitcom repeats, there wasn't a lot of original content. WCW producing "as live" TV every week was a big deal for him back then, and he probably would have continued to forgive them a lot of flaws if he had stayed in the picture.

WWE are a content provider now, and will continue to be so for as long as networks and advertisers see value in live TV in a world of on-demand and subscription services. Every metric that we're accustomed to using to gauge wrestling's success - ticket sales, TV ratings, pay-per-view buys - are almost irrelevant to their business model now, as we can see from the fact that all of those are in decline and they just keep on making more money than they've ever made. That they've now effectively spent the last few months putting together a showreel to tell networks that they can continue to produce this content even without a live audience, without access to major arenas, and in the midst of a global pandemic, will probably see them make even more money whenever TV contracts are next up for negotiation, because the networks now know that they can trust WWE to still produce live content when almost every other sport can't. 

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2 hours ago, Ralphy said:

At the end of the day, WWE is just another tv show to most executives and higher ups, so there is no reason as to why it wouldn't be treated any different to any other fledging TV shows that have been canceled for awful ratings 

WCW felt it was untouchable but it ended up being treated just like this and got taken off the air 

Other TV shows have max 22 hours of content a year. Wwe has over 250 for usa, there's also massive differences with how stars are handled. If someone from a major TV show breaks their leg, or gets pregnant, or quits, there are major rewrites and creative issues. Wwe could lose half their roster in a bus crash and still run tv that night. 

The ratings and demos will become an issue eventually, but for the amount of time wwe fills, it's a bargain. 

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Somewhat predictably, Renee Young has put her notice in - 

 

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They’re going to lose a lot of people over the next few years. They treat almost everyone with contempt and seem to be setting the bar lower with each report of shitty employee treatment. The covid debacle was probably the last straw for Renee.

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7 hours ago, hallicks said:

True, but there must come a point at which they don't keep getting more money for less and less viewers.

They aren't getting a massive amount more viewers than AEW yet Fox paid WWE $250m while TNT only paid $45m for Dynamite and is doing way better with advertisers. They won't get anything close to 200m next time around, no chance.

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2 minutes ago, LaGoosh said:

They aren't getting a massive amount more viewers than AEW yet Fox paid WWE $250m while TNT only paid $45m for Dynamite and is doing way better with advertisers. They won't get anything close to 200m next time around, no chance.

Fox paid WWE for a 1 in the demo having somehow being carnied into believing that could ever happen. They’re currently doing half that. 
 

As you said, unless tv landscape changes again, there’s no chance they’ll get these insane contracts again. I wouldn’t be surprised if they get cancelled on fox or moved to FS1. I’m sure they’ve told everyone the ratings will go up once they get out of the pandemic. They won’t though. And then they might be fucked. Thunderdome has proved that they genuinely believe the PC and no crowds are the cause of ratings demise and not the fact the book one of the worst wrestling shows ever. It’s never their fault.

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Let's also not forget the Saudi deal - I don't know how much it actually is, but you just know it's enough to provide them with "insulation" against actually having to improve their product.

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On the AEW podcast I remember Moxley hinting that Renee had a big potential deal in the works, so maybe that's finally come to fruition. She deserves way better than WWE, wouldn't be surprised to see her pop up on a major entertainment show or something similar. 

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