Winston Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Â Cracking promo here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cutting Edge Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Roman is so good as a heel or just being no nonsense badass, the ending with him and Jey hugging and smiling leading to his stone face and Heyman nodding was great, gonna be a great match too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyattSheepMask Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 You say that, but I reckon Roman’s smashing through him in a couple of minutes in the middle of the show, with Drew v Orton or Keith going on last. Not that Roman wouldn’t be willing, but having a competitive show against a perennial tag guy isn’t going to do anything for him, and I say that as someone who likes The Usos. Smashing him in a couple of minutes separates Roman from the pack and allows him to say that he’s always been better than the rest of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cutting Edge Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Yeah I would be up for that, a quick mauling to send a message. But don't think a 15min match would harm him as long as Jey is Always fighting from underneath, USOS have always been presented as tough and gutsy so wouldn't be too out of place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) A gutsy Jey performance forcing Roman to do him dirty wouldn't be the worst thing. Roman already thinks he's above everyone else. Having that little bit of cockyness opening the door to some of Jey's plucky underdog moves would be okay. It wouldn't hurt Roman in any way and keeps Jey strong. I don't think they need to completely sacrifice him. Plus it's not like he's a newbie on the scene with no credentials. Edited September 19, 2020 by DavidB6937 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Lenin Posted September 20, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted September 20, 2020 I think that's a great idea to be honest. A few subtle heel moves to get him over the line would further develop this current persona. The low blow on SD! was a nod in that direction and it allows everyone to win. Jey gets his 15 minutes, Roman cements himself as a heel whilst retaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Duke Posted September 20, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted September 20, 2020 Yeah this feud clearly only exists to cement Roman's heel turn. Roman not taking Jey seriously, Jey getting the better of the big dog for a minute or two before Roman cheats and then destroys him with a chair is the way forward.  Fans already take Roman seriously as a main eventer, it's the heel turn that needs focusing on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members tiger_rick Posted September 20, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Duke said: Fans already take Roman seriously as a main eventer, it's the heel turn that needs focusing on The problem with that attitude is it normally leads to every heel becoming an absolute fadge. Goes back to Steve Austin in 2001, if not further. Guys who are hard as fuck babyfaces are suddenly chicken shit heels because they're so one dimensional in what they present. There are exceptions but they tend to be spooked by those guys getting cheers. That's never a problem, the opposite is. Book your faces well and you can cope with a heel some fans like. Edited September 20, 2020 by tiger_rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Supremo Posted September 20, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) I’m not as sold on the Sasha/Bayley feud as most appear to be. Now the dust has settled on the turn it’s got the exact same fundamental flaw as Evolution turning on Randy Orton or The Authority turning on Seth Rollins. Someone turning de facto babyface for no other reason than their heel friends turned on them always feels wonky to me. I’m supposed to root for you for the sole fact that your equally reprehensible mate got tired of you? Maybe I haven’t been paying enough attention, but had Sasha even been displaying any babyface tendencies? I know they’d been teasing animosity forever, but everyone tag team and faction in the company does that. It leaves Sasha with such loser energy. Even the bad guys don’t like you. Frankly, looking at how everything has gone down, Bayley identifying Sasha’s failings and binning her off almost feels justified. Are there any historical examples of a successful babyface turn that was rooted in one heel turning on the other? Edited September 20, 2020 by Supremo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members Duke Posted September 21, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted September 21, 2020 22 hours ago, tiger_rick said: The problem with that attitude is it normally leads to every heel becoming an absolute fadge. Goes back to Steve Austin in 2001, if not further. Guys who are hard as fuck babyfaces are suddenly chicken shit heels because they're so one dimensional in what they present. There are exceptions but they tend to be spooked by those guys getting cheers. That's never a problem, the opposite is. Book your faces well and you can cope with a heel some fans like. I don't think that follows from the point I was making. There's more than one type of heel, the problem that they often have with turns is they just assume chicken is the only one. You're right that they end up radically changing the guys character when they do that, but I'd argue thats mostly been a problem in face turns rather than heel. But that's not the same thing as cementing the turn, that's making a bad turn. Theyve not done that with Roman, they're making him play big timer. I'm not sure Steve Austin is a great example either, as I don't think the problem with his heel turn was his character work, which was tremendous, I think it was the opponents he had. They want Roman's first opponent as champ to make clear that he has abandoned other alliances, that he doesn't care about his family and only himself. A 2 minute smash doesn't do that, it just makes Roman look dominant. He's already dominant, he's Roman Reigns. He needs to betray Jey in some way, and the best way to do that is for him to not take Jey seriously (which is part of the build), Jey to surprise him and then him to cheat with a chair or something. Although hopefully it's not a DQ. That would be pants  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Members BomberPat Posted September 21, 2020 Paid Members Share Posted September 21, 2020 WWE definitely have a problem with face and heel turns - too often a dominant babyface becomes reliant on outside interference and screwy tactics to win matches, and spends all their time running and hiding from their opponents, when maybe a week or two earlier they'd never back down from a challenge. There's a lack of character consistency. Similarly, with face turns, someone with a fairly defined character tends to become a one-note people pleaser or ersatz The Rock cracking jokes and hitting catchphrases in every promo. Gorilla Monsoon used to hit a specific note on commentary that I think does away with so many of those complaints in just one line - he used to bemoan that certain heels cheated so much because they were good enough that they didn't have to. It should be abundantly clear that the heels aren't always cheating and taking shortcuts because it's the only way they can win, they're doing it because they can and because it makes their life easier. A heel is a dishonest wrestler, not a bad one. Steve Austin as a heel tended to work because he didn't become a chicken, he became desperate. He wasn't running away from opponents because he couldn't beat them, but because he was scared they might be able to beat him. He was obsessive and delusional, because the only thing that mattered to him was the title, and he would stop at nothing to keep it. They really tried to cement that by having him brutalise Jim Ross shortly after his heel turn, and I think Jey Uso is the JR to Steve Austin's Roman Reigns here - he's there to signify that old relationships don't matter, all that matters is Roman Reigns. How they go about that will be interesting, but it's almost impossible to fuck up - the only way they could get it wrong is a heatless, clean match full of exchanging finishers and high spots, and ordinarily I'd think that would be exactly what to expect from WWE, the Heyman involvement makes me think it will be structured far more like a Brock Lesnar match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetofthedeed Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 This whole tribal leader/I feed a family thing with Roman Reigns is almost definitely leading up to a match with the Rock right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB6937 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, poetofthedeed said: This whole tribal leader/I feed a family thing with Roman Reigns is almost definitely leading up to a match with the Rock right?? It has been discussed online with both guys involved. I wouldn't be surprised at all, but who knows what shape Mania could be in next year. The Rock wouldn't come back without a crowd right? This feud has been fucking awesome the last few weeks though.  All credit to Jey - he's done his fair share of making this a must-see match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomJones233 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Roman having a twisted view on family is brilliant. He of course is a heel, but he clearly believes he has to kill his cousin to keep providing for said cousin and his family. Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetofthedeed Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 49 minutes ago, TomJones233 said: Roman having a twisted view on family is brilliant. He of course is a heel, but he clearly believes he has to kill his cousin to keep providing for said cousin and his family. Brilliant. I love it, Roman isn't even a heel to me, he's just the alpha lion swatting away the young pup who's annoying him, jey has his place, but Roman sits at the head of the table. I know they'll fuck it up but Roman is the best character I can remember in a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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