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1 hour ago, Loki said:

Fucking hell man, are you a sucker for punishment!  The film needs to be 30 minutes shorter - the first 30 minutes basically.  If you've not developed your characters properly by film 9 in a series, it's too late.

Ha, fair point. I think they should cut 20 minutes of shite and replace it with 20 good minutes of decent stuff. 

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The problem with Kelly Marie Tran's role in TROS was not just the lack of screen time but her lack of relevance. She'd gone from being one of the pivotal characters in TLJ to having absolutely nothing to do in this. Just putting her on screen more isn't answering why Abrams cut her importance down so significantly in TROS. She still, most likely, won't be especially important in the #JJCut

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They could have cut Zorra and Jannah and basically had Rose fill their (also mostly pointless) roles in the story.

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1 hour ago, LaGoosh said:

They could have cut Zorra and Jannah and basically had Rose fill their (also mostly pointless) roles in the story.

It’s been confirmed that Jannah is Lando’s daughter (he wasn’t hitting on her you wrong-uns) and some of that was cut from the film as well, which is why she served more of a purpose then would seem.

why would you want less Kerri Russel? Those eyes....

@HarmonicGenerator a villain of some kind, but I’ve not seen any details of whom. I have heard he was possibly involved with the eventual Knights of Ren which suggests a flashback role of that was the case 

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2 minutes ago, HarmonicGenerator said:

Shit, I forgot Matt Smith was supposed to be in this. Who was he meant to be? Do we know?

As long as it wasn't fucking Doctor Who, I don't care.

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The Rose plot arc in TLJ was meaningless shite and trimming it down for this film was no loss whatsoever.

Nothing to do with her race, age, gender, sex, religion, football team allegiance, hair colour or political opinions.

I just didn't think her involvement had any meaning and ramming her ship into Finn full speed to "save him" in a collision he was highly likely to have also died from but without having saved the rest of the rebels was for me one of the stupidest things to happen in any of the 9 films.

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27 minutes ago, HarmonicGenerator said:

Shit, I forgot Matt Smith was supposed to be in this. Who was he meant to be? Do we know?

The strongest rumours were that he was a de-aged / rejuvenated / younger clone of Palpatine. I can see that.

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9 hours ago, Hannibal Scorch said:

It’s been confirmed that Jannah is Lando’s daughter (he wasn’t hitting on her you wrong-uns) and some of that was cut from the film as well, which is why she served more of a purpose then would seem.

Yeah I know, it's incredibly stupid and more of that "everyone in this massive galaxy knows or is related to eachother" bullshit the series desperately needs to get away from. 

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Footage has emerged of Star Wars Underworld, a cancelled series. 

 

Disney are frantically shutting every stream down they can, so hurry if you're interested. Seems Blade Runnery. 

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The shoot out in the blaster store is the most comically Star Wars thing ever. 4 people, ten feet from each other, standing still and shooting, and still no one gets hit until a fucking thermal detonator gets thrown.

 

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I love the constant references to terrible shooting in The Mandolorian. Star Wars becoming self aware is great (very mild spoilers in tags)

On 2/4/2020 at 10:04 AM, BrodyGraham said:

The shoot out in the blaster store is the most comically Star Wars thing ever. 4 people, ten feet from each other, standing still and shooting, and still no one gets hit until a fucking thermal detonator gets thrown.

 

 

 

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The dust has settled on the JJ trilogy. I read a quote the other week about the last two trilogies and they are painfully accurate.

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It physically hurts how accurate that is. George's singular vision was absolute, and allowed a through-line of getting Anakin to turn from an innocent kid into a galactic warlord. It was executed with a poor sense of editing, timing, cinematography, directing of actors, script... but you can see the plot running through it.

Whereas the recent trilogy was three separate films where you draw a head, fold it over and pass it on for someone else to draw the body, then repeat for the legs. Really sharp delivery, decent acting, top-level effects, some interesting shots and ideas... but no core that you're following. Rey is someone / no-one / really important. Poe is a hothead pilot... yup that's it. Appears to love a droid. Finn was in the First Order, but that amounts to nothing. The Spark is with everyone in the universe... but whatever.

Rian Johnson - making patently great films generally - said he was given no remit, no guidelines and was able to just create whatever story he wanted. He ended up shattering the fanbase into pro- and anti- Last Jedi, yet a final concluding film could've wrapped it up in a satisfying way that justifies everything. Instead JJ takes a look and says "that's not what I setup" and tosses it all away.

The further we get from the Kennedy trilogy, the bigger the missed opportunity appears. Force Awakens took $2bn worldwide, Last Jedi $1.3bn, Rise of Skywalker scraped $1bn. Scraped. It made basically the same amount of money as Rogue One, a non-core title. That has to be viewed as a negative. How do you leave a franchise capable of shitting money just by showing up and not determine an overarching plot? it's staggering just how poorly it was handled.

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Two problems with the recent trilogy.

1) Disney don't care and see it as a cash cow. They don't care about the movies' quality, nor how they might affect the series as a whole.

2) JJ Abrams is a shite director who only seems competent when he's copying other people's work.

Rian Johnson split the fanbase between 46 year old white men who think they own Star Wars and that there should be no progression and that we should still getting movies like it's still 1977, and people who wanted to see the series evolve into a new and different direction that was a fairer reflection of society as it is now. He should have been given the whole trilogy. Now I hope he stays away and concentrates on the Benoit Blanc Cinematic Universe instead.

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22 minutes ago, Onyx2 said:

The dust has settled on the JJ trilogy. I read a quote the other week about the last two trilogies and they are painfully accurate.

84609201_871192726675745_139779401410674688_n.png.367012dc26c211ad36b334fda5b9022a.png

It physically hurts how accurate that is. George's singular vision was absolute, and allowed a through-line of getting Anakin to turn from an innocent kid into a galactic warlord. It was executed with a poor sense of editing, timing, cinematography, directing of actors, script... but you can see the plot running through it.

Whereas the recent trilogy was three separate films where you draw a head, fold it over and pass it on for someone else to draw the body, then repeat for the legs. Really sharp delivery, decent acting, top-level effects, some interesting shots and ideas... but no core that you're following. Rey is someone / no-one / really important. Poe is a hothead pilot... yup that's it. Appears to love a droid. Finn was in the First Order, but that amounts to nothing. The Spark is with everyone in the universe... but whatever.

Rian Johnson - making patently great films generally - said he was given no remit, no guidelines and was able to just create whatever story he wanted. He ended up shattering the fanbase into pro- and anti- Last Jedi, yet a final concluding film could've wrapped it up in a satisfying way that justifies everything. Instead JJ takes a look and says "that's not what I setup" and tosses it all away.

The further we get from the Kennedy trilogy, the bigger the missed opportunity appears. Force Awakens took $2bn worldwide, Last Jedi $1.3bn, Rise of Skywalker scraped $1bn. Scraped. It made basically the same amount of money as Rogue One, a non-core title. That has to be viewed as a negative. How do you leave a franchise capable of shitting money just by showing up and not determine an overarching plot? it's staggering just how poorly it was handled.

I think it was because they hadn't planned a trilogy. They just wanted to keep shitting out Star Wars movies like they were Marvel Superhero movies. When they had to get Ron Howard in to "fix" Solo and saw the response to it and Last Jedi they knew they had to knock it on the head for a while, so had JJ throw together something to try and wrap everything up. I would have loved to have seen where Rian Johnson would have gone from the end of Last Jedi. I really enjoyed the way it subverted a lot of the tropes and had a theme of letting the past go, and not expecting the obvious. 

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